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Joe Biden Pardons MULTIPLE Family Members in Shocking Abuse of Power

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Why would you wonder that? He had already been convicted of fraud when he delivered up his nothingburger testimony to Congress.
Most likely because I read a wide variety of articles from BOTH sides and looking at the subject as a whole, a thinking man would wonder if the pardon removes the fear and intimidation he may have been experiencing from what I consider to be the Biden crime organization.

Now that the cover up crew is out of power - it might just lead to an opening for a new inquiry.

Remember Daddy's pardon only covers Federal Crimes.
 
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if the pardon removes the fear and intimidation
How can it? He was already tried and convicted for that crime. He can't be tried again, anyway.
(The pardon was only for that specific case.)

Besides, if you're suggesting Archer lied to Congress, then Archer could be tried for lying to Congress.
 
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How can it? He was already tried and convicted for that crime. He can't be tried again, anyway.
(The pardon was only for that specific case.)

Besides, if you're suggesting Archer lied to Congress, then Archer could be tried for lying to Congress.
I don't speak in riddles - you asked - I answered.

You don't agree - now there's something new!

Here is the part you ignored:

Now that the cover up crew is out of power - it might just lead to an opening for a new inquiry.

Remember Daddy's pardon only covers Federal Crimes.
 
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"it might just lead to an opening for a new inquiry."

No need. The House GOP are continuing their old inquiry. With nothing to show for it so far, the only way to go is up!

"Remember Daddy's pardon only covers Federal Crimes."

There's certainly no defense against crimes from the state of imagination.
 
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***cough cough*** Russia, Russia Russia ***cough cough***
Like Devon Archer, Trump has pardoned people convicted of crimes related to their ties to Russia. That doesn't make the crimes imaginary.
 
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Like Devon Archer, Trump has pardoned people convicted of crimes related to their ties to Russia. That doesn't make the crimes imaginary.
whatever helps you sleep at night -
 
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***cough cough*** Russia, Russia Russia ***cough cough***
Yes, Russia.

Trump's campaign manager literally admitted he was working with Russians and shared presidential campaign state voting data.
What would they need that for?

Don Jr, that same campaign manager, and Jared Kushner met with Russians at Trump tower to work coordination of a quid pro quo that would help Trump. ""If it's what you say, I love it. Especially later in summer." You may recall that from the Mueller report, or maybe not, with Mueller choosing not to advise indictment because apparently ignorance is an excuse for breaking laws.
 
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Can we all agree the presidential power of the pardon needs to be reeled in if not removed all together?
Depends on the specific country and on the political culture of that country, I guess. What does not work well in one, can be a well established and respected tool in another.

The US system is strange to me as it is, with presidential pardons or without.
 
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Can we all agree the presidential power of the pardon needs to be reeled in if not removed all together?
It seems that the pardon power is abused is something that both Democrats and Republicans--or at least Democratic and Republican voters--agree on.

This also regrettably also seems to show just how impossible it seems to amend the Constitution nowadays: Here we have what is not even a partisan issue, and one that the majority of people seem to have a problem with, and yet there still seems to have been no move towards fixing it. (the one thing that is partisan is that perhaps a party would not want to revoke that power for the current president if they are of their party. This can be solved by having the amendment only take effect starting with the next President's term, similar to how the amendment limiting a President to two terms did not limit the president at the time, though Truman opted to not run for a third term anyway)

I think the presidential pardon power should be removed entirely. Any pardons can be given through the normal process of congress passing a law and the President signing it. That allows for pardons in cases where there is a clear enough need for a pardon that you can get both chambers and the President to agree on it, while also removing these absurd unilateral pardons.
 
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It seems that the pardon power is abused is something that both Democrats and Republicans--or at least Democratic and Republican voters--agree on.

This also regrettably also seems to show just how impossible it seems to amend the Constitution nowadays: Here we have what is not even a partisan issue, and one that the majority of people seem to have a problem with, and yet there still seems to have been no move towards fixing it. (the one thing that is partisan is that perhaps a party would not want to revoke that power for the current president if they are of their party. This can be solved by having the amendment only take effect starting with the next President's term, similar to how the amendment limiting a President to two terms did not limit the president at the time, though Truman opted to not run for a third term anyway)

I think the presidential pardon power should be removed entirely. Any pardons can be given through the normal process of congress passing a law and the President signing it. That allows for pardons in cases where there is a clear enough need for a pardon that you can get both chambers and the President to agree on it, while also removing these absurd unilateral pardons.
I also agree the power of pardons should be eliminated as well; no matter what party it is.
 
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I also agree the power of pardons should be eliminated as well; no matter what party it is.
This would require a Constitutional Amendment.
This might not be the “best time” to fiddle with the innards of our Republic?
 
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This would require a Constitutional Amendment.
This might not be the “best time” to fiddle with the innards of our Republic?
Yes it would. Currently is just being absolutely abused. And yes, I agree. Right now probably isn't the best time.
 
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