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Jimmy Carter Dies

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I guess I don't know what "best ex-President" means then. Was he a nice guy who did charitable work? Yeah but I know a lot of people like that. But as an ex-President he did pretty much the only thing an ex-President's not supposed to do.

The term ex-President just means one who's term is over, and is no longer in office. Do you really think that an ex-President is not supposed to do charitable, humanitarian, and altruistic work?
 
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In this fallen world, it's impossible to be an uncompromising Christian and at the same time an effective president. One or the other must give ground.

For one thing, Carter had a "do your job right" penchant that offended a lot of Washington bureaucrats. Part of that penchant involved him getting a lot deeper into details than people were comfortable with. I remember when I got to DC a highly placed civilian still griping about a time he'd written a report for Carter and got called to the Oval Office late one evening. Carter had the man's paper spread out across the top of the Resolute Desk covered with red ink notes of things Carter wanted changed...including grammatical errors. The man was still incensed years later. But one thing for sure...Carter had definitely read the paper carefully.

And, yes, that penchant for telling hard truths also offended a lot of people, including the Washington bureaucracy.
I do recall criticism of Carter being way too hands on and mired in details, reluctant to delegate. But I dont see how these traits are particular Christian. Its not helping me grasp the initial claim that Christian values and success with worldly power are incompatible.
 
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I do recall criticism of Carter being way too hands on and mired in details, reluctant to delegate. But I dont see how these traits are particular Christian. Its not helping me grasp the initial claim that Christian values and success with worldly power are incompatible.
Honest when it would have been better politics for him not to be, for one thing. Not going for the throat when it would have been in his best political interest. Going for peace in cases most people around him wanted him to display toughness.
 
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I guess I don't know what "best ex-President" means then. Was he a nice guy who did charitable work? Yeah but I know a lot of people like that. But as an ex-President he did pretty much the only thing an ex-President's not supposed to do.
There was no such "rule."
 
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Honest when it would have been better politics for him not to be, for one thing. Not going for the throat when it would have been in his best political interest. Going for peace in cases most people around him wanted him to display toughness.
He was also somewhat scolding of American narcissism and gluttony, which many did not want to hear - and still dont, preferring models of greed and self indulgence.
 
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Maybe in some denominations killing Jews and Christians is positive, as well as enslaving populations to false gods and false prophets.
Loving all as self is about the gesture. Just like when casting seeds, we have no control how that gesture will be used or if the seeds will grow.
 
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At the time, Carter was still eligible to hold the Office of President, and his criticism of President Reagan could have been politicking.
You know, like how 45 did to 46.
He wasn't stupid. He wouldn't have thought he could possibly beat Reagan.
 
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The term ex-President just means one who's term is over, and is no longer in office. Do you really think that an ex-President is not supposed to do charitable, humanitarian, and altruistic work?
I said no such thing.
 
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There was no such "rule."
Yes there was. In any event, even if you're just the local school PTA president, it's undignified. It's a bad look to criticize your successor. But it's even more important for a POTUS.
 
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Who put the Ayatollahs in power?

Iranians who were fed-up with living under the Shah of Iran...a leader whom the US had supported. Are you famliar with the history of US involvement in Iran's internal politics?

The death of everyone killed as a result of the Ayatollahs being in power is on that man's head, including the Oct 7 victims and hostages.
What do you think Carter should have done? Send in the American military to put down the revolution?
[As for Oct 7th, Carter had nothing to do with it.....responsibility for the worst breakdown in Israeli intelligence and security lies with the Israeli Primer Minister, who is still in power]
 
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