Jimmy Carter Dies

[timothyu]

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As i said... the system

 

[durangodawood]

Iranians who were fed-up with living under the Shah of Iran...a leader whom the US had supported. Are you famliar with the history of US involvement in Iran's internal politics?

Another example of "regime change" coming back to bite us hard: when we assisted with installing a despot who no reasonable people would tolerate forever. And removing a leader who was much more aligned with western values.

 

[Lukaris]

Profile in courage: When Jimmy Carter helped save a nuclear reactor - CSMonitor.com

www.csmonitor.com

 

[RDKirk]

I do recall criticism of Carter being way too hands on and mired in details, reluctant to delegate. But I dont see how these traits are particular Christian. Its not helping me grasp the initial claim that Christian values and success with worldly power are incompatible.

The bible said so.

In order to be elected president, a person has to curry a lot of friends and favor with the political system and with voter in general.

"Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God." James 4

 

[RDKirk]

Yes there was. In any event, even if you're just the local school PTA president, it's undignified. It's a bad look to criticize your successor. But it's even more important for a POTUS.

Who expressed such a rule? And again, Teddy Roosevelt criticized Taft. More recently, both Donald Trump and Barack Obama have occasionally spoken out about the policies or actions of their successors.

 

[RoBo1988]

Jimmy Carter deregulated home beer and wine making, opening the door for micro breweries, etc.

As tributes pour in for Jimmy Carter, craft brewers credit him with being a ‘hero’ to the industry - The Boston Globe

Carter, who died Sunday at 100, signed a bill as president in 1978 that legalized home beermaking, paving the way for craft brewers around the country.

www.bostonglobe.com

 

[Chesterton]

Who expressed such a rule?

Again, it was unwritten, unspoken, but it was the practice. And I think it was important. You ever notice how when there's a high profile legal case in the news, and the prosecution (the government) loses, they're always quick to say "we respect the decision of the jury"? It's sorta like that. You're reinforcing the fact that we should respect the will of the people, and should respect the process.

It's similar with the POTUS. He should respect the will of the people and the peaceful transition of power. Not to mention it just looks kind of low class. You and I can criticize any president all day long, but I think a former president should be above that.

And again, Teddy Roosevelt criticized Taft.

That was a special situation in that they were friends and Roosevelt practically anointed Taft, then Taft went in an unexpected direction with his policies, disappointing Roosevelt and a lot of his followers.

More recently, both Donald Trump and Barack Obama have occasionally spoken out about the policies or actions of their successors.

As I said, Carter was the first (in the modern era).

 

[timothyu]

Regardless of who dies, self justification always comes into play from friends and foes.

 

[RDKirk]

Again, it was unwritten, unspoken, but it was the practice. And I think it was important. You ever notice how when there's a high profile legal case in the news, and the prosecution (the government) loses, they're always quick to say "we respect the decision of the jury"? It's sorta like that. You're reinforcing the fact that we should respect the will of the people, and should respect the process.

It's similar with the POTUS. He should respect the will of the people and the peaceful transition of power. Not to mention it just looks kind of low class. You and I can criticize any president all day long, but I think a former president should be above that.

That was a special situation in that they were friends and Roosevelt practically anointed Taft, then Taft went in an unexpected direction with his policies, disappointing Roosevelt and a lot of his followers.

As I said, Carter was the first (in the modern era).

Yeah, keep making qualifications. There was no "rule."

 

[Chesterton]

Yeah, keep making qualifications. There was no "rule."

I said it was a tradition. Do you know of examples of ex-presidents criticizing sitting presidents between Roosevelt and Carter?

 

[MotoToTheMax]

I said it was a tradition. Do you know of examples of ex-presidents criticizing sitting presidents between Roosevelt and Carter?

Like traditions are worth anything. Tradition was also releasing tax returns and divesting interests in businesses before taking office but look where that is now.

 

[Chesterton]

Like traditions are worth anything. Tradition was also releasing tax returns and divesting interests in businesses before taking office but look where that is now.

I agree with you. Tradition is good. It is the democracy of the dead. - G.K.C.

 

[MotoToTheMax]

I agree with you. Tradition is good. It is the democracy of the dead. - G.K.C.

Oh. Can you show me where I said that? The thing you agree me with?

 

[Chesterton]

Oh. Can you show me where I said that? The thing you agree me with?

Maybe I misinterpreted your comment. It seemed like you were saying that the traditions of releasing tax returns and divesting business interests were good things to do.

 

[MotoToTheMax]

Maybe I misinterpreted your comment. It seemed like you were saying that the traditions of releasing tax returns and divesting business interests were good things to do.

Clearly. Read the first sentence of my comment again.

 

[Chesterton]

Clearly. Read the first sentence of my comment again.

I did, but given your second sentence it's confusing. Are you saying we shouldn't have traditions, or are you lamenting the fact that traditions sometimes get abandoned?

 

[MotoToTheMax]

I did, but given your second sentence it's confusing. Are you saying we shouldn't have traditions, or are you lamenting the fact that traditions sometimes get abandoned?

Eh, close enough. The answer to this post is "Yes."

 

[Chesterton]

Eh, close enough. The answer to this post is "Yes."

 

[Pommer]

I said it was a tradition. Do you know of examples of ex-presidents criticizing sitting presidents between Roosevelt and Carter?

Via Herbert Hoover @Wikipedia:

As Coolidge, Harding, Wilson, and Taft had all died during the 1920s or early 1930s and Roosevelt died in office, Hoover was the sole living former president from 1933 to 1953. He and his wife lived in Palo Alto until her death in 1944, at which point Hoover began to live permanently at the Waldorf Astoria hotel in New York City. During the 1930s, Hoover increasingly self-identified as a conservative.He closely followed national events after leaving public office, becoming a constant critic of Franklin Roosevelt. In response to continued attacks on his character and presidency, Hoover wrote more than two dozen books, including The Challenge to Liberty (1934), which harshly criticized Roosevelt's New Deal. Hoover described the New Deal's National Recovery Administration and Agricultural Adjustment Administration as "fascistic", and he called the 1933 Banking Act a "move to gigantic socialism".

Your premise is null.

 

[Chesterton]

Via Herbert Hoover @Wikipedia:



Your premise is null.

Okay so Carter wasn't the first, just one of the few. Thank you. I'm always happy to learn when I've been wrong.

More interesting trivia: Only three presidents (all Democrats) have used the diminutive form of their names. Harry Truman's name was Harrison. Jimmy Carter's name was James (obviously). William Clinton went by Bill. A former CF poster used to always refer to Trump as Donny as a way to insult him. I'll stand by now and wait for someone to correct me.