A simple question for all the highly educated learners in this Forum. Do you believe Jesus is Lord? If so is he your only Lord?
In Truth,
Joshua
In Truth,
Joshua
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This is such a paradox. Why? Because no one can fully understand the Trinity. When I say Jesus is the Lord and Savior of my life I am also aknowledging that Christ=God=Holy Spirirt. When I pray "Lord, help me" or "Lord, thank you for this day" and then I pray "and God, please help so and so" I don't feel as if I'm dividing my prayers up among Father and Son. I'm praying all to the same Lord and Savior of my life. Yes, Jesus Christ is Lord but so is God because they are one and the same.
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msjones21 said:
But if they are the same then their is no trinity. Because they are the SAME.
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msjones21 said:
Oh I forgot to say something you said no One can fully understand the trinity. I agree for their is no trinity. But to say that someone can't fully understand the Godhead that would be in direct violation of scripture.
Romans 1:20:
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
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So Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are three separate entities with God presiding over the other two? Interesting theory. Then how would Jesus Christ have the power to redeem us if He weren't God?
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msjones21 said:
I never said that their are three seperate entities. There is only One entity his name is Jesus. You say that their is three by using the word trinity.
TRI-NITY
THREE-UNITY
That's what the word means. The Bible doesn't teach that. The Bible teaches
ONE. Simple.
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Joshua
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msjones21 said:
So what? It doesn't teach three persons. I can speak about myself seperately to does that make me three? It is called speaking in the third person it is a literary art form but it doesn't mean that their is three. It is just a form of speaking.
Job 13:6-10
Hear now my reasoning, and listen to the pleadings of my lips. 7Will you speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him? 8Will you accept HIS PERSON? will you contend for God? 9Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocks another, do you so mock him? 10He will surely reprove you, if you do secretly accept persons.
If you think their is a difference then explain the difference between Father and Holy Spirit. OmniPrescence the ability to be in eerywhere at the same time. So if I am One Spirit and I am in 9 places at the same time does that make me nine spirits? or nine persons? No of course Not. Their is One Spirit which we call God and he is our Father and his name is Jesus. That is it that is simple.
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Joshua
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Scripture points to the Trinity.The biblical evidence that compels Christians to adopt the trinitarian position consists of passages that treat each Person of the Trinity as equally devine and passages that group Father,Son,and Spirit together.Its easy to agree that the Father is God.(Rom.1:7:Gal1:3).The evidence for the full deity of Jesus permeates the New Testament.(John 1:1,18;Heb.1:3,8;Rev 22;13)The New Testament says less about the Holy Spirit than about the Father and Son.However,in th Ananias and Sapphira incident, lying to the Holy Spirit(Acts 5:3)is called lying to God(v.4)In the following passages the members of the Trinity are grouped together by various New Testment writers as a special expression of Gods character or work:Matthew3:16,17;28:19,The Great Commission;John14:15-23;15:26;16:13-15;Acts 2:32,33;1 Corinthians 12:4-6;2 Corinthians 13:14;Galatians 4:4-6;Ephesians 1:2-14;2:8;4:4-6;Philippians3:3;Hebrews 10:10-15;1 Peter 1;2;1 John 5:1-12.Think of Ice,water and steam,which are three states of the same compound.
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roadie432002 said:
Yes people do group together those descriptions as a conglomerate but that isn't true it is an error. I dispute that error and hope the people are given the vision to see past it. I am not disputing that Jesus is God or that the Holy Spirit is God I am simply saying that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the Father. Any reference to the One true God of Israel is a reference to the Father for there is no God besides him. The Bible is quite clear on this simple fact.
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Joshua
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Another false interpretation of an out-of-context proof text. Does nature reveal to mankind that God is ominscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent? Does finite nature, which all has a definite end, reveal that the infinite God is eternal? Does the nature of animals, which kill and devour each other, reveal that God is love? If so then show us how it does. And I don't mean just repeat this verse. You are claiming that everything that is possible to know about God is revealed to mankind in nature. There are five points here, how does nature reveal them?
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Greetings Der Alter,
I am curious on what your interpretation is of Romans 1:20?
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I am curious on what your interpretation is of Romans 1:20?
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Oh no, I couldn't. I wouldn't dream of going before you. I think I pretty well summed it up in the post above. Perhaps you could tell me where nature reveals the five characteristics I mentioned?
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Der Alter said:
where do you see nature in that verse? You really need a whole lot of untwisting.
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He put me back together said:hmmmmm...what does "highly educated" mean?
well I guess all of you aren't highly educated. I'm sorry if that offends you but it is sadly turning out to be true that all of you aren't. But smile Jesus still loves you.
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No offense, but I haven't seen any stellar points from you either. When you ask if anyone is highly educated do you mean do they have a doctorate in Theology or do you mean secular education? Just because someone doesn't agree with your beliefs (or the lack thereof) of the Trinity doesn't mean they're uneducated.
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msjones21 said:
It was supposed to be a compliment but everyone is taking offense. That's your fault not mine even after apologizing for complimenting people. I know they may not be stellar but they are true and that is what counts.
In Truth,
Joshua
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