DeaconDean
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Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL (Romans 11:16-27) If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 10:8-12)
You mix up your SHADOWS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT with God's ETERNAL LAW which are the standard of the OLD and the NEW and the Judgement to come.
Where in all of God's WORD does it say God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY day?
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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Broken record
First of all I didn't write that it has been "abolished" so stop writing things that are not true. What I did was to quote what the Apostle Paul wrote. I pasted the following:
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."
Those are not my words LGW and if you don't agree with the Apostle Paul then I guess you will have to take it up with him, not me.
Broken record. Ya Ya, tell that to Paul.
Then quit thumping old covenant laws that were meant only for Israel. Shush!
What he said.
God Bless
Till all are one.
What Abraham and everyone before and after him kept till after Christ was the requirement of a blood sacrifice. Abraham married his sister, so it wasn't the whole covenant law that Abraham kept as you imply. What was imputed to him as righteousness, was that Abraham believed the VOICE of God to him directly, and believed Him. He believed he would have a son, and he obeyed God to sacrifice that son.
I see, so you have no scripture that says God's 4th Commandments has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.
I did not think so. We could of saved you a lot of time with your posting earlier.
Another very good point.
We have been declared righteous by God, and been justified.
Abraham as our example.
If we have already been "judged" by God, and declared "righteous" and "justified" why do we need to place ourselves back under the Law?
That is why I really don't like SDA's.
Everybody in the world is wrong, except them and their "ritual" observance of the Sabbath.
God Bless
Till all are one.
Again, as you accuse me of sidestepping your question, you do the same.
What will God judge us on?
Ritual observance of the Sabbath?
Or if the Blood of the Lamb has been applied?
You want the first, and ignore the second.
God Bless
Till all are one.
He believes some of us Sunday worshipers will be okay as it was done in ignorance. However, someone like ME, who was once SDA, he condemns as having once known "the truth."
Here again, that why I do not like SDA's.
According to them, we are still bound to the Law.
Ignoring that the Decalogue and the Torah was given to "corporate Israel".
Up until the Cross, Gentiles were cut off and excluded from salvation (except to convert to ritual Judaism) and the blessings of God.
I'll take grace any day.
God Bless
Till all are one.
Another very good point.
We have been declared righteous by God, and been justified.
Abraham as our example.
If we have already been "judged" by God, and declared "righteous" and "justified" why do we need to place ourselves back under the Law?
That is why I really don't like SDA's.
Everybody in the world is wrong, except them and their "ritual" observance of the Sabbath.
God Bless
Till all are one.
What Abraham and everyone before and after him kept till after Christ was the requirement of a blood sacrifice. Abraham married his sister, so it wasn't the whole covenant law that Abraham kept as you imply. What was imputed to him as righteousness, was that Abraham believed the VOICE of God to him directly, and believed Him. He believed he would have a son, and he obeyed God to sacrifice that son.
The Jews and the mainstream preachers in the days of Jesus claimed that they were the Children of God because they said they were the seed of Abraham.
The very same topics that we discuss here was also discussed in the day of Jesus. The mainstream preachers of Christ's time all claimed to be Children of God because their claim was that they were the Children of Abraham right? This was their claim to being God's people.
JOHN 8
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say thou, Ye shall be made free?
They claimed belief on the God of Abraham, they claimed to be in bondage to no man. But what did Jesus tell them...............?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
There is more on this engagement between Jesus and the Mainstream God of Abraham preachers of His time in John 8.
NONE are accounted RIGHTESOUS before God while CONTINUING in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN. Neither is anyone justified without REPENTANCE and turning away from SIN. Jesus says if you were the Children of Abraham you would do the works of Abraham. Another words we must BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD. Those who say they BELIEVE but do not FOLLOW do not have ABRAHAM as their example.
Those who BREAK God's COMMANDMENTS are the ones God's WORD says that are "UNDER THE LAW" because they stand guilty before God in SIN of breaking it (Romans 3:19-20).
Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPETNANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow the WORD of GOD over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.
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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
................
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
So why don't you refute his post instead of wasting your time digging me by quoting a partial sentence trying to make me an unbeliever? You do know that is goading and inflaming which is against the rules.Seems to be a theme...
My understanding of grace is not common. What is your definition of grace to a Christian regarding sin?
Talk to the hand.
You have been given sufficient evidence contrary to your point.
You ignore it.
Fine by me.
God Bless
Till all are one.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Why should it matter to a Christian? It has nothing to do with our salvation.To you it obviously doesn't matter... to those that understand the Decalogue is representing God's Character, it matters.
Grace, just like what Paul said, is not a licensee to sin. Rather, it is the grace that God will allow us to confess it, and be given forgiveness. (cf. 1 Jn. 1:8-10)
God Bless
Till all are one.
Is spanking love? Are demands love? The law isn't given to show love.The Decalogue is Love... how to love God
I love God by not having any other gods above Him
I love God by not making an idol of anything to worship
I love God by not taking His name in vain
I love God by setting aside 1/7th of the time God has given me to spend with Him
I love God by honouring my parents
I love God by not taking a life through anger
I love God by not being unfaithful to my spouse
I love God by not taking what is someone elses property
I love God by not lying about someone for gain or spite
I love God by not desiring the things He has not given me
I don't see wrath from God if I do these things, do you?
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