Jesus Kept The Law

[listed]

"however" no one is ever 100% correct, according to LGW. You have to correct everyone. Well, maybe I can, from scripture, correct both of you on who the schoolmaster law was for. (By the way LGW translates "God's law as the 10 commandments.) The King James version of Gal 3:1-6
3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

The Galatians never had the "schoolmaster law". They didn't receive the Spirit because they had the Schoolmaster law. They received it by hearing about faith just as Abraham never had the schoolmaster law, he too received the Spirit by faith. That established let us look further down in the chapter where Paul talks about the schoolmaster law.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

In the course of Paul's letter he is addressing those that were under the law including himself, the we in the letter. Since the Galatians never had the law the we could not have meant them. The Schoolmaster law was the Jews way of bringing only the Jews to their knees before Christ. As seen in the previous verses the Galatians received Jesus by hearing the good news by faith just as did Abraham. Jesus commands us to go into the World and spread the good news just as Paul and Barnabas did for the Galatians. If you will read in Gal 2:15 “You(Peter) and I are Jews by birth, not ‘sinners’ like the Gentiles. 16 Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.”

Yes Gentiles were sinners (without the Sinai law) even though not like the Jews who were under the Sinai law. Both become right with God through faith in Jesus. Salvation has nothing to do with any law. The law was not given to Israel for salvation. It was given as a way of life for Israel and Israel.

My question for LGW is how did keeping Sabbath become a salvational commandment?


2Cor3:7-11 and as everyone know there is no command to "keep" Sunday. That is a strawman argument and you should know it by now.


Oh yes we have, you are programed not to believe God's Word on the subject.

It's very interesting to me they post 2 Timothy 3:16 and disregard Galatians as inspired by God and invalid as Scripture.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Wise post.

Sorry, I was in the wrong thread.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

When I get to heaven, and stand before the Creator, what is going to look at?

How well I've kept the 4th commandment? (or any of the other 612 "laws")

Here is the fly in the ointment you are peddling... this hubris that man has concocted that somehow transfers the 4th Commandment from the Decalogue to the ceremonial laws. It's a poor sleight of hand, easily spotted by anyone with the remotest knowledge of the difference between the two.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I don't believe...

Seems to be a theme...

 

[1stcenturylady]

Here is the fly in the ointment you are peddling... this hubris that man has concocted that somehow transfers the 4th Commandment from the Decalogue to the ceremonial laws. It's a poor sleight of hand, easily spotted by anyone with the remotest knowledge of the difference between the two.

It doesn't matter if the 4th commandment was transferred or not. Neither apply to a Christian. Read my post in The Eternal Law thread under the same forum.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

It doesn't matter if the 4th commandment was transferred or not. Neither apply to a Christian. Read my post in The Eternal Law thread under the same forum.

To you it obviously doesn't matter... to those that understand the Decalogue is representing God's Character, it matters.

 

[1stcenturylady]

To you it obviously doesn't matter... to those that understand the Decalogue is representing God's Character, it matters.

God's character to a Christian is Love. To those who need the Decalogue it is Wrath.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

God's character to a Christian is Love. To those who need the Decalogue it is Wrath.

The Decalogue is Love... how to love God

I love God by not having any other gods above Him

I love God by not making an idol of anything to worship

I love God by not taking His name in vain

I love God by setting aside 1/7th of the time God has given me to spend with Him

I love God by honouring my parents

I love God by not taking a life through anger

I love God by not being unfaithful to my spouse

I love God by not taking what is someone elses property

I love God by not lying about someone for gain or spite

I love God by not desiring the things He has not given me

I don't see wrath from God if I do these things, do you?

 

[ToBeLoved]

To you it obviously doesn't matter... to those that understand the Decalogue is representing God's Character, it matters.

I actually like this comment because it shows that it is about God’s character, not keeping on day above another, which isn’t New Covenant anyway.

 

[ToBeLoved]

The Decalogue is Love... how to love God

I love God by not having any other gods above Him

I love God by not making an idol of anything to worship

I love God by not taking His name in vain

I love God by setting aside 1/7th of the time God has given me to spend with Him

I love God by honouring my parents

I love God by not taking a life through anger

I love God by not being unfaithful to my spouse

I love God by not taking what is someone elses property

I love God by not lying about someone for gain or spite

I love God by not desiring the things He has not given me

I don't see wrath from God if I do these things, do you?

But aren’t part of the bad doctrine s your peddling is the Saturday sabbath? And question if Christians are even Biblical worshipping on Sunday?

Maybe you’ve changed your tune. Yes?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What are the commandments of Jesus? Jesus takes possession of some commandments as His property. Jesus doesn't say keep My Father's commandments. Jesus does say He keep His Father's commandments. Now what commandments did Jesus actually keep? We know that Jesus is and was a natural born and circumcised Jew. Even you will say Jesus kept the ten commandments. Jesus did issue at least 1 new commandment. If you say that is merely a loose quote from the OT. So please provide a quote and source at least 10 years old proving the text of John 13:34 is a doctored text from the original or concede. I will accept textual proof that Jesus is the Father which means Jesus is indeed laying claim He gave the ten commandments making Him guilty of sophistry actually lying.

Hello listed,

Do you have any scriptures to share? You are correct in saying that Jesus kept the Fathers commands. What you have NOT said however is the Jesus and the Father are ONE (John 10:30)

John 13:34 is in reference to LOVE but God's people already had the two great commandments since the OLD TESTAMENT which is was a summary of the 10 Commandments (Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18).

What was NEW about Jesus commandment to LOVE one another?

None had ever LOVED another like Jesus loved them (John 13:34). That is WHY Jesus is our EXAMPLE. John 13:35, For I have given you an EXAMPLE, that you should DO as I have DONE to you.

The NEW Commandment is to LOVE as JESUS loved and FOLLOW HIM as our EXAMPLE!

Jesus kept the SABBATH because he was the LORD and CREATOR of it as well as ALL the COMMANDMENTS of GOD through LOVE.

Do you love Jesus?

Jesus says if you LOVE me keep my commandments. Which ever way you want to spin this unless you are born again to LOVE and follow Jesus you will NOT keep his Commandments. This is the NEW COVEANT promise of God's LAW written on the heart in those who BELIEVE (Heb 8:10-12). Everything is fulfilled in LOVE and is why it is written LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE...

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ANOTHER: FOR HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT KILL, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, YOU SHALL NOT COVET, AND IF THERE BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

You CANNOT separate LOVE from OBEDIENCE to God's LAW because LOVE is the FULFILLING (doing) of it and is the reason why Jeusus says; IF you LOVE me KEEP my COMMANDMENTS (John 14:15) and PAUL says LOVE is the FULFILLING of GOD's LAW (Romans 13:8-10), BECAUSE it is ONLY through FAITH that works by LOVE that anyone can follow Jesus (Galatians 5:6).

Jesus did not teach against the LAW and the prophets he came to fulfill them in those who BELIEVE his WORD (Matthew 5:17-19; John 3:15-21).

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

But aren’t part of the bad doctrine s your peddling is the Saturday sabbath? And question if Christians are even Biblical worshipping on Sunday?

Maybe you’ve changed your tune. Yes?

If you read the post you quoted, you'll see that I believe that honouring God on Sabbath by setting aside that period of time for Him is the ultimate in reverence and worship and love.

Those that ignore the 4th Commandment and honour the day of the sun, Lucifer's day of worship, in it's stead, are in danger of the wrath of God for being under the Law for being in violation to it.

 

[Bob S]

The Decalogue is Love... how to love God

I love God by not having any other gods above Him

I love God by not making an idol of anything to worship

I love God by not taking His name in vain

I love God by setting aside 1/7th of the time God has given me to spend with Him

I love God by honouring my parents

I love God by not taking a life through anger

I love God by not being unfaithful to my spouse

I love God by not taking what is someone elses property

I love God by not lying about someone for gain or spite

I love God by not desiring the things He has not given me

I don't see wrath from God if I do these things, do you?

I love Jesus because He gave His life for me and has made the way for me to live eternally with Him All he asks in return is for me to believe and love God by loving my fellow man like Jesus loves me.

What you say you love doesn't even contain the greatest commandments according to Jesus.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I love Jesus because He gave His life for me and has made the way for me to live eternally with Him All he asks in return is for me to believe and love God by loving my fellow man like Jesus loves me.

What you say you love doesn't even contain the greatest commandments according to Jesus.

You state you must love others like Jesus loves you? Isn't that a works salvation? Or it's somehow different than when I set aside time for God every Sabbath?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hi Bob,

"however" no one is ever 100% correct, according to LGW. You have to correct everyone. Well, maybe I can, from scripture, correct both of you on who the schoolmaster law was for. (By the way LGW translates "God's law as the 10 commandments.)

Now Bob, your a funny one, none of that is true. Seems your just like making things up.

The King James version of Gal 3:1-6 3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

Lovely scriptures Bob, thanks for posting. I agree with them and your point is?

The Galatians never had the "schoolmaster law". They didn't receive the Spirit because they had the Schoolmaster law.

Is it late your time Bob? How can the Galatians NEVER had the schoolmaster law and not receive the Spirit because they had the Schoolmaster law? Maybe it is time for you to get some rest and talk more latter?

They received it by hearing about faith just as Abraham never had the schoolmaster law, he too received the Spirit by faith. That established let us look further down in the chapter where Paul talks about the schoolmaster law.

Where does it say in God's WORD Abraham never had God's LAW we must read a different bible.

GENESIS 26:5 Because Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. (Note the HEBREW WORD in this scripture LAWS at the end of the verse translates TORAH).

Indeed you must be tired get some rest Bob.

23 But before faith came,we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. In the course of Paul's letter he is addressing those that were under the law including himself, the we in the letter. Since the Galatians never had the law the we could not have meant them. The Schoolmaster law was the Jews way of bringing only the Jews to their knees before Christ. As seen in the previous verses the Galatians received Jesus by hearing the good news by faith just as did Abraham. Jesus commands us to go into the World and spread the good news just as Paul and Barnabas did for the Galatians. If you will read in Gal 2:15 “You(Peter) and I are Jews by birth, not ‘sinners’ like the Gentiles. 16 Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.” Yes Gentiles were sinners (without the Sinai law) even though not like the Jews who were under the Sinai law. Both become right with God through faith in Jesus. Salvation has nothing to do with any law. The law was not given to Israel for salvation. It was given as a way of life for Israel and Israel.

Lovely scriptures Bob, thanks for sharing. I know from past conversations you have a different definition of what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW" You may need to re-visit your definition of what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW". God's definition is that to be "UNDER THER LAW" means to be guilty before God of SIN and breaking it. (see Romans 3:19-20)

v25 is not saying that God's LAW is ABOLISHED it is saying that as we have FAITH in God's WORD we are forgiven for our SINS and no longer "UNDER THE LAW" guilty before God of SIN and breaking it because we have been FORGIVEN.

If your interpretation was correct then there would no longer be any KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. This would make PAUL a liar when reading ROMANS 3:20; 31 not to mention most of the NEW TESTAMENT.

If you have NO KNOWLEDGE OF SIN you have NO NEED OF A SAVIOUR. If you have NO NEED OF A SAVIOUR you have NO SALVATION. If you have NO SALVATION you are LOST because you are still in your SINS because you have NO KNOWLEDGE that you are a SINNER in NEED of a SAVIOUR.

Can you see where your current understanding is leading you?

My question for LGW is how did keeping Sabbath become a salvational commandment?

It never has just like any of God's 10 Commandments. They are the KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS is (Romans 3:20; Ps 119:172). Breaking ANY of God's Commandments however is a salvational issue. The issue is God's LAW written on the heart to LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE (Romans 13:8-10) and is why Jesus says if you LOVE me keep my commandments (John 14:15). This is the NEW COVENANT of God's LAW written on the heart to LOVE thorugh FAITH (Hebrews 8:10-12)

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[1stcenturylady]

The Decalogue is Love... how to love God

I love God by not having any other gods above Him

I love God by not making an idol of anything to worship

I love God by not taking His name in vain

I love God by setting aside 1/7th of the time God has given me to spend with Him

I love God by honouring my parents

I love God by not taking a life through anger

I love God by not being unfaithful to my spouse

I love God by not taking what is someone elses property

I love God by not lying about someone for gain or spite

I love God by not desiring the things He has not given me

I don't see wrath from God if I do these things, do you?

It is called the Ministry of Death. That is Wrath.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

It is called the Ministry of Death. That is Wrath.

Because the wages of SIN is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (Romans 6:23) and SIN is breaking God's Commandments (Romans 3:20; 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11)

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Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Kaon]

Did you miss that I quoted the NKJV of the Bible?

What are you talking about?

You are very confusing. You say you believe God’s Word and i give you 4 chapters of Hebrews and you are talking about mans words.

I’ll let someone else try to get through to you. It’s a lost cause for me on this thread with our dialog.

Have a blessed week.

You gave me 4 chapters of Hebrews who is PAUL speaking.

If we trust the canon to be the canon for what it is, then I am asking that you show me one place where God, or [the Word of] God said that we don't have to be obedient to His Laws.

It is very simple; God, and [the Word of] God are the authority on Law. Where did they ever say we don't have to be obedient to the Laws ever professed from [the Word of] God?

 

[1stcenturylady]

You gave me 4 chapters of Hebrews who is PAUL speaking.

If we trust the canon to be the canon for what it is, then I am asking that you show me one place where God, or [the Word of] God said that we don't have to be obedient to His Laws.

It is very simple; God, and [the Word of] God are the authority on Law. Where did they ever say we don't have to be obedient to the Laws ever professed from [the Word of] God?

Disobedience to God's laws is sin. But did you know that Jesus was manifested to take away our sin, and in Him there is no sin. In fact a Christian cannot sin. They just don't want to.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

It is called the Ministry of Death. That is Wrath.

To those that are disobedient to it, yes it is death.

Can I keep it on my own? No, the Israelites showed that. But we now have Christ's Spirit which abides in us. If He could be blameless before the Law, then with His Spirit in us, so can we have victory over sin through obedience.