tdidymas
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Why identify a point of no return? If a person is obsessed with that, then it indicates he is desperately hanging on to "control" because he hasn't yet surrendered all control to God. But if you really need it, Jesus identified that point - blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.Call it what you like but a rose is a rose by any other name. You claim that a person is irrevocably regenerated, saved, all at once before even expressing faith and that they can longer do any wrong-at least enough wrong to permanently separate them from God since He'll always bring them back to repentance. Pretty much excludes the role of man's will entirely. And you say that a brother may be in need of exhortation to repentance lest he be lost. And yet you cannot identify what kind of sin might require that repentance.
Yet more lack of understanding of what Biblical faith really is, and the effect that God has on a person. This tells me you really don't believe in the power of God to save, so you have to add your efforts to it.So let me see. A regenerated person no longer sins at least sufficiently and persistently enough for him to be considered an unregenerated person. If he does sin, however, God will bring him back to repentance. And we can predict that we, individually, will persevere. And maybe it doesn’t even matter anyway since faith really does away with the need for obedience.
Yet more of your prejudices and misrepresentations are detailed here. It's not the scriptures you cite I have any problem with, but your error.The truth is that we’re saved unto obedience: the two, salvation and obedience, going hand in hand. We cannot have one without the other. In Galatians, Romans, Philippians, and elsewhere Paul consistently objected to and condemned works of the law as worthless, the idea that an external show of holiness actually equated to holiness. This is why Jesus told the Pharisees in Matt 23 that they must be clean on the inside first of all in order for the outside to be authentically clean. And He told them to clean the inside, just as Rev 22 tells us to wash our robes. At the same time Paul also condemns deeds of the flesh, sin, i.e. lawlessness as the cause of death. How is this reconciled? How do we accomplish this cleansing? By the Spirit, who gives life, not by the letter, which kills. Grace, through the Holy Spirit, gives us that ability, to do good: Rom 2:7, to overcome sin: Rom 8:12-13, to be holy: Heb 12:14, to do those works prepared for us in advance: Eph 2:10. These are specifically not works of the law but works of grace given us by God as we turn to Him in faith, gifts that we’re to express, just as we accept and express that gift of faith to begin with. That’s how God works in man, and that’s how we invest the talents given us, as we cooperate with His work. Alternatively, we can also fail to invest, like the wicked and lazy servant.
Fruit is the result of justification as righteousness is the result of justification. Due to that state of justice, we are saved. If we walk unjustly, we are no longer in that state. And, in fact, again, this statement of Micah’s written some 700 years before Christ hasn’t changed a bit under the new covenant.
“He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God.” Micah 6:8
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