Jesus Is Allah ?

[Brain Damage]

According to muslims and even "some" christians , Allah is the same God as the christians worship.

And yet we christians believe that Jesus is our God , which means that Jesus was the God of Abraham.

Therefore , if a muslim claims that we have the same God , is he not saying that Jesus is Allah ?

And if a muslim does not believe that Jesus is Allah , then why do muslims say we have the same God ?

 

[Messianic Warrior]

Allah is God in Arabic. So in that sence, yes Jesus is Allah.

To my understanding, Muslims have heritage from Abraham[through the line of Ishmael], so also in that sence, we worship the same God.


Shalom.
- Joshua

 

[Zoot]

"Allah" is Arabic for "God" in the sense that "God" is used in English, despite the fact that "Allah" was originally, 1000 years ago, the name of a finite, polytheistic moon god (a meaning the word has since lost).

Islam sees itself as the continuation of that lineage of religious tradition found in Judaism and Christianity. Islam came out of an environment where pagan Arabs believed in many gods, whereas Islam taught that there was just one God, which caused quite a stir, just as Christianity had done so in the past.

Islam does not hold that Jesus was God made flesh, or that God is triune (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). It teaches that Jesus was a holy man, a prophet, and refers to him as the Word of God (as a title, rather than a statement of what Jesus is, whereas in Christianity Jesus is considered the Word (Logos) of God made flesh, the second Person of the Trinity).

The Arabic language and the Islamic religion are so often associated with each other that people often forget that there are Christians from Arabic-speaking countries, and those people use the same word, "Allah", to refer to God; just as many English-speaking Muslims use the English word, "God", to refer to Allah.

Arabic-speaking Christians believe say that Jesus is the son of Allah, Allah made flesh, who died on the cross for our sins and was resurrected a few days later, etc.

Arabic-speaking Muslims say that Jesus was a prophet of Allah, that it's absurd or insulting to say that Allah was made flesh, etc.

English-speaking Christians say that Jesus is the son of God, God made flesh, who died on the cross for our sins and was resurrected a few days later, etc.

English-speaking Muslims say that Jesus was a prophet of God, that it's absurd or insulting to say that God was made flesh, etc.

The problem is compounded by the Islamic belief that God has 99 names, each representing His 99 qualities, and the actual word "Allah" is the best, purest name for God. Not all Muslims hold to that doctrine.

 

[Heathen Dawn]

Therefore , if a muslim claims that we have the same God , is he not saying that Jesus is Allah ?

A Muslim would claim that the God Christians worship is a perversion, as is the Bible. The true God (“Allah”—Arabic for God) is the Unitarian God of the Qur’an, who is “neither a begetter nor begotten”, according to Islam.

 

[Havoc]

Jews also claim they worship the same God as you, but they don't believe Jesus is God.

All three religions, Islam Judaism and Christianity, claim to worship "the God of Abraham", none think the other two are correct. Since all three worshipthe same God they are collectively known as the "Abramic" religions.

 

[Carico]

The muslims contradict themselves when they consider Jesus a holy man and great prophet because He said He was the son of God. He therefore must either be delusional or He's right. If He's delusional, how can He be holy? If He's right, then the Muslims aren't really worshipping God because Jesus says He's the only way to God. That is a gross contradiction in the Koran which makes their God look foolish.

 

[cleopa_of_emmaus]

It's not a contradiction, because the Muslims believe the Bible is corrupt. The Qu'ran is the only perfect book as far as the Muslims are concerned, so using ideas from the New Testament as a basis for an attack on Islam is futile.

~cleopa

 

[Havoc]

The muslims contradict themselves when they consider Jesus a holy man and great prophet because He said He was the son of God. He therefore must either be delusional or He's right. If He's delusional, how can He be holy? If He's right, then the Muslims aren't really worshipping God because Jesus says He's the only way to God. That is a gross contradiction in the Koran which makes their God look foolish.

We don't know that Jesus said he was the son of God. We only know that the present translation of the book you use claims he said that.

 

[MorphRC]

To Christians if Muslims worship the same God as we do then technically they do worship Christ..but from a muslim view they dont and it is one of the grestest blasphamies against God to even think so!

 

[MorphRC]

We don't know that Jesus said he was the son of God. We only know that the present translation of the book you use claims he said that.

Christ gave so many examples of His divinity and also even the Old testament proves that He was God.

For example in the NT..He said: When Moses was: I was. Now if He wasnt God why would He say that? Some will say He was mental, He may have hated the Pharisees so much He said it to annoy them.

Now since your profile said you were a celtic witch theres be as much point proving the bible to you as a muslim. You would need outside biblical evidence.

Try this site it gives you secular, Jewish and even Pagan opinions on the matter:

http://www.catholicapologetics.net/

Now something that is biblical and secular in history is that Jesus was cruxified for CLAIMING TO BE GOD, thats why the Pharisees and the Jews then commanded that He be killed.

There are a tonne more examples but that site would be your best go...if you have a open heart He will show you the truth..and i personally hope you find it

GB

 

[nasir_abdus-salam]

Peace everyone,

A friend of mine referred me to this sight, and upon visiting it I have not read one Muslim voice. Maybe I can fill that void adequately.

As for the topic, "Jesus is Allah?", it depends on who you're asking. For some Christians, the answer is "yes," but for Jews and Muslims, the answer is an emphatic "no." We (Muslims) do not believe that the Bible is wholly credible, so claiming that Jesus asserted his divinity (which is quite debatable anyway) means nothing to me (us).

Also, let me clarify a few points about the meaning of the name "Allah":

First of all, it was not the name of the pagan Arabic moon god. This notion is baseless and absurd. Secondly, it has no religious significance whatsoever. The pagan Arabs of antiquity called God "Allah," and the Arab Jews and Christians of today do the same.

Many have the misunderstanding that "Allah" is a contraction of the definite article "al" and the noun "ilah", literally meaning, "the God." This is also incorrect. However, "Allah" does express the same idea as that of the English word "God."

The name "Allah" is derived from "allaha" (He was deified), "yu'allihu" (He is deified), and "alooha" (deification). To make things as simple as possible, these three words correlate with "He was worshipped (ubida)", "He is worshipped (yu'badu)", and "worship (ibaadah)." So, "Allah" literally means: "the only One deserving worship," or "the One who is worshipped" (note the use of a capital "o" in "One").

The reason why it is preferrable to refer to the Creator as "Allah" instead of "God" is because it is gender neutral and has no plural form. The Arabic equivalents of G/god, goddess, and gods are: "I/ilaah", "ilaahah", and "aalihah".

I hope I provided clarity on this issue.

 

[Havoc]

Christ gave so many examples of His divinity and also even the Old testament proves that He was God.

For example in the NT..He said: When Moses was: I was. Now if He wasnt God why would He say that? Some will say He was mental, He may have hated the Pharisees so much He said it to annoy them.

Now since your profile said you were a celtic witch theres be as much point proving the bible to you as a muslim. You would need outside biblical evidence.

Try this site it gives you secular, Jewish and even Pagan opinions on the matter:

http://www.catholicapologetics.net/

Now something that is biblical and secular in history is that Jesus was cruxified for CLAIMING TO BE GOD, thats why the Pharisees and the Jews then commanded that He be killed.

There are a tonne more examples but that site would be your best go...if you have a open heart He will show you the truth..and i personally hope you find it

GB

So by this same arguement the Q'ran is the truth becuase it says it is and doesn't need any outside soiurces. You have to have outside sources to prove the Bible. The Bible claiming that it is the truth is nothing more than a claim. Without an outside source to verify it the claim is useless and no more verifiable than the Q'ran's claim.

Therefore, once again, we don't know what Jesus said. We only have the unproven claims of your book.

P.S. Thanks buit I've already found what I believe to be the truth, and surprisingly it's not what you believe to be the truth.

 

[nasir_abdus-salam]

My intent was not to convince you of the truth of Islam, but rather to inform the participants of this forum that no, Muslims do not believe Jesus (peace be upon him) was Allah, and also to provide a proper understanding of what the name "Allah" means and what it is derived from.

 

[tigersnare]

This is why you can't argue with a Muslim.

They use the Bible to validate the Koran.

They use the Koran to dismiss whole Chapters of the Bible.



What a concept, I believe that's what we would call having your cake and eating it too!!

 

[Zoot]

Muslims do not believe the Bible validates the Koran. They believe the Koran was received revelation from God to Muhammad.

Interestingly, the first Muslim community, in Medina, involved signing up contracts with the local Christian and Jewish population, affirming the similarity of the beliefs and uniting them against the pagan surroundings.

 

[tigersnare]

Muslims do not believe the Bible validates the Koran. They believe the Koran was received revelation from God to Muhammad.

Umm yes they do, they also use Prophecies out of the Bible and try to say they are predicting Muhammed. So if nothing else they use the Bible to validate Muhommed as a Prophet from God, and the book as a "new song" from a verse in Isiah.

 

[Zoot]

Perhaps, but they don't rest the entire authority of the Qu'ran on the Bible. They believe it is direct revelation from God, and point to the Bible only for extra support, not for its main support.

 

[nasir_abdus-salam]

I have never used the Bible to validate the Qur'an. Why you would bring that up I don't understand. It really has nothing to do with the points I was making. My intention was only to teach the correct understanding of who Allah is according to Muslims, and what the name actually means linguistically. Nothing more, nothing less.

Zoot, you are absolutely right. The Bible is most definitely a peripheral (to say the most) reference for Muslims.

 

[Brain Damage]

My intent was not to convince you of the truth of Islam, but rather to inform the participants of this forum that no, Muslims do not believe Jesus (peace be upon him) was Allah,

Thank you for joining this conversation nasir , I "was" hoping to gain a muslim perspective on this .

Ok so Jesus is the God of the christians but he is not the God of the muslims , so why do muslims continue to say that we have the same God when it seems obvious that we don't have the same God ( Jesus ) as you have already stated ?

 

[MorphRC]

So by this same arguement the Q'ran is the truth becuase it says it is and doesn't need any outside soiurces. You have to have outside sources to prove the Bible. The Bible claiming that it is the truth is nothing more than a claim. Without an outside source to verify it the claim is useless and no more verifiable than the Q'ran's claim.

Therefore, once again, we don't know what Jesus said. We only have the unproven claims of your book.

P.S. Thanks buit I've already found what I believe to be the truth, and surprisingly it's not what you believe to be the truth.

No the Qur'an is not the truth to Christians or to jews, or to hindus etc..and u dont need outside sources to prove the bible if u r a true believer..and this nothing more than a claim..is a ignorant comment..we have One of the original bible from 104AD in the Vatican archives and then we have the all the early Church fathers that support it, and believe it..and then we have GOD who inspired us!

Its good u have ur own spirituality and u believe it to be the truth..but i KNOW i have the truth