Again, I'll try to post the citations later this week. I am working full time and going to school full time. In the meantime if you're really that interested just go buy the book.
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Thought that had a familiar ring to it.Israel Finkelstein?
You better be able to prove this statement, or I will regard it as slander and report you for it.It should also be noted that is is allowable (per rabbinic writings) for a Jew to present a falsehood to the goyim
Not to be mean, but merely stating a brutally honest response: That's one of the most useless posts in this entire forum.Bavli Manuscripts utilized:
Firenze II-I-7-9: Ashkenazi, 1177
Oxford Heb. d. 20 (Neubauer-Cowley 2675): Sephardic, Geniza, 13th Century
Karlsruhe Reuchlin 2: square Ashkenazi, 13th Century
New York JTS Rab. 15: Sephardic, 1291
Vatican ebr. 487/9: square Ashkenazi, 13th Century
Vatican ebr. 108: Sephardic, 13th- 14th Century
Munich Cod. Hebr. 95: Ashkenazi, 1342
Vatican ebr. 110: square Ashkenazi, 1380
Vatican ebr. 130: square Ashkenazi, 1381
Vatican ebr. 140: square Ashkenazi, 14th Century
Oxford Opp. Add. Fol. 23: square Sephardic, 14th-15th century
Paris heb. 1337: square Sephardic , 14th-15th Century
Paris heb. 671/4: Byzantine, 15th Century
Herzog 1: Yemenite, after 1565
Soncino printed edition: printed in Soncino, Barco, and Pesaro between 1484 and 1519
Vilna printed edition: 1880-1886
Citations:
b Shab 104b
Oxford 23, Vatican 108, Vatican 487, Munich 95, Soncino, Vilna
b Sanh 67a
Herzog 1, Munich 95, Firenze II.1.8-9, Karlsruhe 2, Barco, Vilna
b Sanh 103a
Herzog 1, Munich 95, Firenze II.1.8-9, Karlsruhe 2, Barco, Vilna
b Ber 17b
Oxford 23, Munich 95, Firenze II.1.7, Paris 671, Soncino, Vilna
b Sanh 107b
Herzog 1, Munich 95, Firenze II.1.8-9, Barco, Vilna
b Sot 47a
Oxford 20, Vatican 110, Munich 95, Vilna
b AZ 17a
Munich 95, Paris 1337, New York 15
QohR 1:8 (3)
Vatican 291, Oxford 164, Pesaro 1519, Constantinople 1520, Vilna, Jerusalem
b AZ 17a
Munich 95, Paris 1337, New York 15
qohR 1:8 (3)
Vatican 291, Oxford 164, Pesaro 1519, Vilna, Jerusalem
b AZ 27b
New York 15, Munich 95, Paris 1337, Pesaro, Vilna
b Sanh 43a-b
Herzog 1, Munich 95, Firenze II.1.8-9, Karlsruhe 2, Barco, Vilna
b Git 57a
Vatican 130, Vatican 140, Munich 95, Soncino, Vilna
3) What the heck is Vatican ebr., Oxford Opp., etc? Those are not Talmudic references.
Wow, that's hardly quoting anything at all. "husbad Stada, lover Pandera"??? That's your entire quote for one of the references? That's your proof?b Sanh 103a that you will not have a son or disciple like Jesus the Nazarene
b Ber 17b that we will not have a son or disciple like Jesus the Nazarene (some editions with text erased)
b Sanh 107b not as Yehoshua b. Perahya who pushed Jesus the Nazarene away
b Sot 47a not as Yehoshua b. Perahya who pushed Jesus the Nazarene away
b AZ 17a One of the disciples Jesus the Nazarene found me
QohR 1:8 (3) He told me a word in the name of Jesus son of Pandera
b AZ 17a Thus I was taught by Jesus the Nazarene
qohR 1:8 (3) Jacob .came to heal in the name of Jesus son Pandera
b Sanh 43a-b on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus the Nazarene
b Git 57a Jesus the Nazarene is going to be stoned
b Shab 104b -Was he the son of Stada and the son of Pandera?
b Sanh 67a husband Stada, lover Pandera
lol, I think we all know the answer to that oneDo you even know what all these abbreviations mean?
Possibly they were editions of manuscripts like you said, but he never answered, so I'm still completely in the dark. If they were editions of manuscripts, there weren't any Talmudic references, just edition names? I mean, talk about confusing.I think you'll find that they are possibly Talmud references, arranged by edition or manuscript.
Not true at all. The Tosefta and Braitot are always brought to clarify matters. The Talmud Yerushalmi, while it has always been used to clarify, is gaining great popularity in the land of Israel, with some giving it's rulings more authority than the Bavli.The only version of the Talmud the modern day Rabbinic debaters will hear is the Babylonian of course. Citing earlier versions before alleged redactions seems pretty futile.
The Talmud Yerushalmi, while it has always been used to clarify, is gaining great popularity in the land of Israel, with some giving it's rulings more authority than the Bavli.
Has it been published in English yet?
As far as I know, it has not. I understand that Artscroll is working on it though.