Jesus Held to Sola Scriptura

[Noxot]

the rock from heaven will shatter the image of man that has a head of gold but feet of clay mixed with iron. but the Lord finds a use for that which we become because the Lord wishes to bless us in any way that we are receptive to being blessed.

there is no understanding or authority in the bible nor in people unless God is there in them.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Jesus is also the Son of God, came to fufil the Scripture. And the Ancient Church followed on from the teaching of his Disciples, one of whom was the "rock upon which I will build my Church." So this doesn't suggest that we weren't meant to have no structure within the Church.

Was Jesus wrong to appeal to scripture?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

You are operating under a bizarre notion that if anyone quotes scripture, then he treats scripture as the sole authority on everything.

The thing is, the very example of the temptation in the desert that you are pointing to disproves this notion. For Satan also appealed to scripture, but certainly you are not suggesting that Satan holds scripture as the ultimate authority?

Nothing bizarre about it. That test was the perfect time for Him to demonstrate where ultimate authority comes from [staff edit].

 

[Steve Petersen]

Jesus held to the idea that scripture, not church office-holder, is the ultimate authority for the believer, so why don't you?

23 Then spake Jesus to the multitudes and to his disciples, 2 saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses seat: 3 all things therefore whatsoever they bid you, [these] do and observe: but do not ye after their works; for they say, and do not.

 

[MoonlessNight]

Nothing bizarre about it. That test was the perfect time for Him to demonstrate where ultimate authority comes from, and He did

It seems to me much more likely that as Satan had abused scripture to support false claims, Christ appealed to scripture to show that Satan was using scripture incorrectly.

I don't know how you see this is a natural demonstration of "where ultimate authority comes from."

And the true irony is that by your own reasoning the only way that you could prove that it was such a demonstration would be to quote a bit of scripture that unambiguously proved that your interpretation was the correct one; to do otherwise would be to rely on a lesser authority.

 

[Targaryen]

Was Jesus wrong to appeal to scripture?

I have no idea where on earth you pulled that out of your head. Truly baffling.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I have no idea where on earth you pulled that out of your head. Truly baffling.

I'll try to go slower, and explain more fully.

If Jesus chose this way to demonstrate ultimate authority, and you disagree with that concept, are you wrong, or is He?

 

[Targaryen]

Again, you seem to equate chocolate and spaghetti here to use an analogy.

I'm still trying to figure out how Jesus, who used Scriptural authority and yet rebuked others that misread or used the same Scriptural authority as a blanket statement on Sola Scriptura. I think you need to quit while your behind.

 

[tadoflamb]

Here's Jesus practicing Sacred (oral) Tradition:

Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples,* saying, “The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice. (Matthew 23:1-3)

Where did the chair go?

Same place as the keys?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Again, you seem to equate chocolate and spaghetti here to use an analogy.

I'm still trying to figure out how Jesus, who used Scriptural authority and yet rebuked others that misread or used the same Scriptural authority as a blanket statement on Sola Scriptura. I think you need to quit while your behind.

If you would like to bow out, I would respect that decision, but as for me, I have Christ and scripture on my side, so I have no need of surrender.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Here's Jesus practicing Sacred (oral) Tradition:

Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples,* saying, “The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice. (Matthew 23:1-3)

Where did the chair go?

Same place as the keys?

Chair is probably a metaphor for 'place of authority.'

 

[Targaryen]

If you would like to bow out, I would respect that decision, but as for me, I have Christ and scripture on my side, so I have no need of surrender.

The usual argument for those that don't have a great argument. I'll stick around thanks. Others around here are actually making sense.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

23 Then spake Jesus to the multitudes and to his disciples, 2 saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses seat: 3 all things therefore whatsoever they bid you, [these] do and observe: but do not ye after their works; for they say, and do not.

Sure, where they are in agreement with scripture.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Sure, where they are in agreement with scripture.

Whether or not they are in agreement depends on interpretation. Jews were bound to obey the ruling of the priests and elders. Disobedience to the priests and elders was not justifiable based on an individual's interpretation.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Whether or not they are in agreement depends on interpretation. Jews were bound to obey the ruling of the priests and elders. Disobedience to the priests and elders was not justifiable based on an individual's interpretation.

Could a priest command someone to violate the written law of God???

 

[Steve Petersen]

Could a priest command someone to violate the written law of God???

Yes. There are sacrifices for erroneous rulings.

120. Nobody’s Perfekt: The obligation to bring an offering after an erroneous ruling - OU Torah

 

[Noxot]

Could a priest command someone to violate the written law of God???

king david did and Jesus did not seem bothered by it.

 

[buzuxi02]

Jesus used scripture, he also used Jewish folklore, heck he even used Greek ideas. He utilized scripture. He even agreed with the tradition of the elders over scripture when he played devil's advocate and told them their traditions have done away with God's command to stone disobedient children to death (Mark 7:10). He shortened the 10 commandments down to two. So yes Jesus is the ultimate authority.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Jesus used scripture, he also used Jewish folklore, heck he even used Greek ideas. He utilized scripture. He even agreed with the tradition of the elders over scripture when he played devil's advocate and told them their traditions have done away with God's command to stone disobedient children to death (Mark 7:10). He shortened the 10 commandments down to two. So yes Jesus is the ultimate authority.

And in the role of ultimate authority, he told is followers to obey the Scribes and Pharisees.

 

[Noxot]

the scribes and pharisees believed with their head but not with their heart. knowledge cut off from our will is like a tree cut off from it's roots. Jesus was nailed to a dead or dying piece of wood called the cross.