Jesus Feeding the Five Thousand and Apparent Age

[Ophiolite]

Who taught you that?

Church of Scotland minister.

 

[jax5434]

I'm sorry, Jax. I misread your post.

Sorry about that!

No problem
God Bless
Jax

 

[AV1611VET]

Church of Scotland minister.

Okay.

Was just wondering.

 

[HitchSlap]

Jesus is the chief cornerstone. He is the standard that we use.

Psalm 118:22 "The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone;"

Neat.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The interpretation of this miracle I was taught went thus: a proportion of the multitude had brought food, but were too selfish to share it. The words and actions of Jesus moved them to empathy for their hungry neighbours and they shared. I find that a satsifying match with the compassion and empathy said to characterise Jesus.

That is the sort of stuff that people make up when they can not reproduce the miracle. There is a story in the Bible (1 Kings 17) about Elijah and the widow and how the food supply would multiply. I see that all the time around here. Somethings just seem to last forever and they never run out.

 

[Larniavc]

Greatest story on earth. Its about forgiveness, peace, love, and hope

The OT as well?

 

[Ophiolite]

That is the sort of stuff that people make up when they can not reproduce the miracle.

Gosh, you mean rather than accept a supernatural explanation, based upon anecdotal accounts, people explore plausible explanations based upon established physical laws and known human behaviour patterns?

My perception, when a Christian was simple. I had two possible interpretations:

• Jesus performs a miracle, which may be physically impressive, but hardly delivers any great moral message and has an aura of "look what I can do about it". (Hardly the humble behaviour expected of the Christ.)
• Jesus uses the power of his personality and rhetoric to help people understand that they should share such food as they have with their neighbours rather than selfishly keep it to themselves.

Superficial "showbiz" demonstration, or action that addresses deep human emotional attitudes and develops them in a positive way? For me, the choice was easy.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Gosh, you mean rather than accept a supernatural explanation, based upon anecdotal accounts, people explore plausible explanations based upon established physical laws and known human behaviour patterns?

My perception, when a Christian was simple. I had two possible interpretations:

• Jesus performs a miracle, which may be physically impressive, but hardly delivers any great moral message and has an aura of "look what I can do about it". (Hardly the humble behaviour expected of the Christ.)
• Jesus uses the power of his personality and rhetoric to help people understand that they should share such food as they have with their neighbours rather than selfishly keep it to themselves.

Superficial "showbiz" demonstration, or action that addresses deep human emotional attitudes and develops them in a positive way? For me, the choice was easy.

The thing about miracles is that anyone in the construction business as long as I was understands the power of mind over matter.

 

[AV1611VET]

The thing about miracles is that anyone in the construction business as long as I was understands the power of mind over matter.

Yup.

I don't mind, so it don't matter.

 

[W2L]

The OT as well?

Yes, the OT is fulfilled in the NT. You can judge God if you want but i find hope and love in Him. OUt of all my failures God has given me hope. Thats why i follow the Lord.

 

[Heissonear]

It is very clear in the Bible that God displays His Ability to Create objects with Apparent-Embedded Age.

The Scripture of the first post presents how He not only "Creates", but with intricate detail, as the cooked fish were.

From small things as fish and bread to objects like the Earth, the Creator displays His Ways of Creating with Apparent Age.

This makes it about note only He has Ability to Create, but How He Creates. He shows His Great Intellect and Understanding through His Creation. He shows His Awesomeness.

And He has been kicked out of "public schools" science rooms and Earth Science text books.

And He is stated as just an opinion before others.

He is One I will continue to Worship. Who brought all that we see and know into Existence.

Some people have their cards mixed up. And their thinking cap backwards. The Exaltation of Science over learning of Him can do that, as we can see around us.

Many people of this Modern Times have made Science an Idol. Presenting natural processes as the way things are. They have stumbled by idolizing Earth Science.

 

[HitchSlap]

It is very clear in the Bible that God displays His Ability to Create objects with Apparent-Embedded Age.

The Scripture of the first post presents how He not only "Creates", but with intricate detail, as the cooked fish were.

From small things as fish and bread to objects like the Earth, the Creator displays His Ways of Creating with Apparent Age.

This makes it about note only He has Ability to Create, but How He Creates. He shows His Great Intellect and Understanding through His Creation. He shows His Awesomeness.

And He has been kicked out of "public schools" science rooms and Earth Science text books.

And He is stated as just an opinion before others.

He is One I will continue to Worship. Who brought all that we see and know into Existence.

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Some people have their cards mixed up. And their thinking cap backwards. The Exaltation of Science over learning of Him can do that, as we can see around us.

Many people of this Modern Times have made Science an Idol. Presenting natural processes as the way things are. They have stumbled by idolizing Earth Science.

Don’t forget water into wine! +1

 

[AV1611VET]

Don’t forget water into wine! +1

I like this one that shows God's mastery over your sacred thermodynamics:

Deuteronomy 29:5 And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot.

Not to mention the Burning Bush and Fiery Furnace.

 

[Heissonear]

I like this one that shows God's mastery over your sacred thermodynamics:

Deuteronomy 29:5 And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot.

Not to mention the Burning Bush and Fiery Furnace.

His Abilty and Ways are awesome.

A day approaches when all that we see and experience is All Supernatural - being with Him in His Kingdom.

The idolizing of the sciences is an End Times stumbling, right before all that we see is supernatural.

 

[AV1611VET]

His Abilty and Ways are awesome.

A day approaches when all that we see and experience is All Supernatural - being with Him in His Kingdom.

The idolizing of the sciences is an End Times stumbling, right before all that we see is supernatural.

Amen and Amen, brother!

 

[HitchSlap]

I like this one that shows God's mastery over your sacred thermodynamics:

Deuteronomy 29:5 And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot.

Not to mention the Burning Bush and Fiery Furnace.

Speaking of burning bushes, it’s likely that Moses “encounter with god” was a Ayahuasca trip (DMT), as those plants were ubiquitous during that time.

Helps puts things into perspective for you, doesn’t it?

 

[Larniavc]

Yes, the OT is fulfilled in the NT. You can judge God if you want but i find hope and love in Him. OUt of all my failures God has given me hope. Thats why i follow the Lord.

I'm glad you have found comfort in difficult times.

 

[Ophiolite]

The idolizing of the sciences is an End Times stumbling, right before all that we see is supernatural.

You realise you are part of a tradition extending over almost two millenia that believes the End Times and the Second Coming will occur in their lifetime?

 

[AV1611VET]

You realise you are part of a tradition extending over almost two millenia that believes the End Times and the Second Coming will occur in their lifetime?

Interesting that what you call "tradition," we call "blessed hope."

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

God bless our martyrs who died refusing to believe what you guys do.

 

[Ophiolite]

Interesting that what you call "tradition," we call "blessed hope."

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

I was pointing out that scores of generations were mistaken in their belief that hope was imminent. In my book when one believes one lives in a special time one should consult some one who can reduce ones arrogance.

God bless our martyrs who died refusing to believe what you guys do.

God bless Giodarno Bruno and the victims of the Spanish Inquisition and . . . well you get the idea.