Jesus did not come to save the ((world))

Hank77 · May 29, 2017

frienden thalord said:
Here is one .
Remember davids baby , the one he fathered with Soloms mom.
The one that died. What did david say to those who wondered why he had stopped fasting and mourning.
David said the child wont be coming back . But that I will go to him.
David did not go to hell. That baby is in heaven.
Whoever said babies go to hell. Don't know God.
You give that scrip to whoever said otherwise. a baby. it don't know its hand from its foot.

The problem is that they will say that David's son was one of the chosen ones and not all babies are chosen.

frienden thalord · May 29, 2017

Hank77 said:
The problem is that they will say that David's son was one of the chosen ones and not all babies are chosen.

People will just believe what they want to.
I just say speak truth and whomever receives it amen.
People , often forget the only goodness us men or women have IS Christ
and they get high minded and feel important.
Me, I am nothing, LET GOD have all the glory, though I be hated and persecuted, let HIS name be praised.
and I bet you agree with that too.

Monk Brendan · May 29, 2017

joinfree said:
All things, that originate in God can be saved. The devil has no origin in God, so he can not be saved.

Forgive me, but God created ALL, including the devil.

Monk Brendan · May 29, 2017

Mountainmanbob said:
That would be the world of believers not everyone in the world.

I just don't think that Hitler will be there

One cannot say. His last thought might have been, "my Jesus, save me."

lsume · May 29, 2017

Mountainmanbob said:
It's amazing to me how many people here on this Christian forum that state -- that the whole world will be saved.

John 17:9

I pray for them: I pray not for the world

M-Bob

I think it might come from The Word Of God below;

1Tim.4

[10] For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

However,

Dan.12

[2] And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Monk Brendan · May 29, 2017

Radrook said:
Jesus said that few would find the road to salvation:

But that does not mean that we should not try to reach ALL of the FEW, and lead them to the road.

frienden thalord · May 29, 2017

The gospel will be spread on my watch. And if it offends the world then it offends.
IF it gets in the way of unity for world peace, then so be it.
Think I came to bring peace on earth, NAY, NO, nope,
This world peace, this interfaith that comes in the name of love
unity , tolerance, for world peace
will be no different than in other ages when men , leaders , churches came in the name of peace.
All who resist will die.
ask six million jews, ask the crusaders, mao, stalin, Greece, rome empire of peace and the list goes on and on.
The problem with peace offered by man...................is it always comes with a sword in the end.
This interfaith is leading and will lead the world, its religions , its people to unite in the worlds
largest ecumenical gathering. Then their championed prince of peace, leaders
will say. ..... what to do with those who did not gather in the name of world peace and unity.
And though they used all the bad seeds in religion, like isis or the crusades
and used those examples to say , that those who say their way is the only way are dangerous.
Watch how many they end up killing . Hypocrisy for power.
interfaith was not propgogandized for world peace , though this is what it seems.
They are only half right. the world part they do say is right.
its just not really for peace, but as always its really for POWER
But hitler mao, the crusades, stalin, Greece , rome, they too knew how to propgagandize an idea.
Always what is best for man they say...............but I notice the rich get only more powerful
the leaders only more power , and the people pay the price.
THIS will be NO different. satan comes to conquer. and interfaith , world peace
will give him all the power to control all nations via govt, religion and a mark.
Its on the way and nigh to come.

Monk Brendan · May 29, 2017

sdowney717 said:
It does not say everybody in the world did God love with a great love.
Where we read about God's great love is here.
Only God can answer why he loved us with that great love so that He made us alive. It was not because we believed, as we were following Satan at that time.

John 3:16 puts that to rest. For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER...

Whosoever means everybody and anybody that will ask for His help, not just some pure elect that can have no love in their heart for sinners. Whosoever means me, and you, and Hitler, and Dylan Thomas, and Mussolini, and Jack the Ripper, and all of what good people would call the worst scum in the world.

bangmegafan · May 29, 2017

Sorry for typo.

Yes, it was supposed to be police not God!

jimmyjimmy said:
I said that criminals don't seek out police.

All men are sinners. They are guilty of violating God's law. Because of this guilt and their rebellion, they run and hide from God. They do not seek Him. He seeks them. Men don't want God anymore than a criminal wants the police.

Monk Brendan · May 29, 2017

ClementofA said:
In Calvinism that would be those God forced to believe that will be saved. And those who He forced to remain in unbelief will He torment eternally. Nobody has any choice one way or the other. It's all about luck. Or fate.

And isn't that a cruel and unjust god that would do such a thing.

PollyJetix · May 29, 2017

Mountainmanbob said:
It's amazing to me how many people here on this Christian forum that state -- that the whole world will be saved.

John 17:9

I pray for them: I pray not for the world

M-Bob

John 17:9 does not say that Jesus never prayed for the world.
It only says that He wasn't praying for the whole world at that moment.
He was making specific requests right then for specific people.

Evidently, Jesus prayed so much for the entire world, that He had to specify in John 17, just who it was He was praying for that time.

However, John 3:16 says God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him, might be saved.

1 Timothy 2 is highly instructive here:

1Tim. 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
1Tim. 2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
1Tim. 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Tim. 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

The Greek in that 4th verse says clearly that it is God's will for all men to be saved.

Jesus told us to pray for God's will to be done.
If God's will automatically happens in all things, then Jesus' prayer is a farce.
God does want all to be saved. But He allows us the freedom to choose.

If we have no free choice, then you turn every single commandment of the Scriptures into a pretense.
God has told us over and over that we must choose righteousness and hate iniquity.

If a human would play such games with his offspring, telling them they better do something they had no way of doing, and then punishing them with death for not doing it... that human would be a very evil person.

God is the definition of goodness.
If we cannot emulate God's ways, then something's wrong with the definition of who God is.

frienden thalord · May 29, 2017

Monk Brendan said:
John 3:16 puts that to rest. For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER...

Whosoever means everybody and anybody that will ask for His help, not just some pure elect that can have no love in their heart for sinners. Whosoever means me, and you, and Hitler, and Dylan Thomas, and Mussolini, and Jack the Ripper, and all of what good people would call the worst scum in the world.

God loves the world so much that HE did give the only begotten Son.
not only that , JESUS said HE would not return till the WHOLE WORLD had been given a chance to hear the gospel.
SO PREACH IT PEOPLES.
known unto GOD alone is who will hear and who wont.
WE know not. thus preach to ALL MANKIND amen.

jimmyjimmy · May 29, 2017

Monk Brendan said:
John 3:16 puts that to rest. For God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER...

Whosoever means everybody and anybody that will ask for His help, not just some pure elect that can have no love in their heart for sinners. Whosoever means me, and you, and Hitler, and Dylan Thomas, and Mussolini, and Jack the Ripper, and all of what good people would call the worst scum in the world.

The trouble is, no one WILL. Anyone MAY, but no one CAN. John 6 makes this more than clear.

6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.

The word, "can" refers to ability, not permission. No one has the ability to come to Me unless the Father enable Him.

PollyJetix · May 29, 2017

jimmyjimmy said:
The trouble is, no one WILL. Anyone MAY, but no one CAN. John 6 makes this more than clear.

6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.

The word, "can" refers to ability, not permission. No one has the ability to come to Me unless the Father enable Him.

What Jesus was talking about there, was that in that situation, at that time, it was the Father who was drawing men to the Saviour. The Pharisees thought God was the center of their existence. They thought everything they did had God's stamp of approval.

But Jesus countered their hatred of Him with the idea that the reason they couldn't believe on Him, was because it was the Father who drew people to the Son... and these hypocrites were so far removed from God that they couldn't feel His drawing power!

The drawing of men to Himself, Christ took upon Himself, when he died:
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

And for whom all was Christ crucified?
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Whose all sins did He die for?
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Rajni · May 29, 2017

Monk Brendan said:
One cannot say. His last thought might have been, "my Jesus, save me."

Precisely.

I can only imagine that just being someone with Hitler's apparent mentality was hell in and of itself, so I'm not sure how piling on more hell, for all eternity, is going to be constructive in such cases. And I don't see God as the sort to engage in such fruitless undertakings. He came to seek and save The Lost. Hitler seems to have been one of The Lost. If Hitler weren't sought and saved, then God would have failed (fell short / sinned), and God doesn't fail (fall short / sin) (imo).

God is Love. Love never fails.

Monk Brendan · May 29, 2017

jimmyjimmy said:
The word, "can" refers to ability, not permission. No one has the ability to come to Me unless the Father enable Him.

John 12:32 says, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.”

frienden thalord · May 29, 2017

Monk Brendan said:
And isn't that a cruel and unjust god that would do such a thing.

That indeed does go against the nature of God, WHO desires that NONE perish, but that all would come to repentance.
I mean look how long God was longsuffering on me, I was once a vessel of wrath fitted unto destruction, a child of wrath
doing all wickedness in satan, who was the one who led me in those days, and yet God revealed
unto me, in my conscious, and His goodness led me to repentance and faith in Christ . what grace.
God desires none to perish, many will, but they rejected the grace of Gods unction.
many have heard that name and refused it. I do pray they repent and come.
All over the bible, Gods constant is that the evil repent .
For it is not His desire they perish, but that the wicked repent of his evil and be saved in Christ.
And if we are truly OF Christ , then it shows by how we walk, and talk. He who says he abides in him
WALK as did he. Evidence of the grace of GOD that brings salvation
which teaches us to deny ungodliness and wordly lusts to be living RIGHTEOUSLY
godly and soberly .
Evidence that HE is within us.

Monk Brendan · May 29, 2017

dhh712 said:
Saving love is different though, it is a special love God shows to just his elect. I mean, it is clear that his bestows his mercies on the just and unjust alike by giving us air, food, water, shelter, etc. That's an example of his love. But that God loves the world does not mean that he saves everyone in it. There's just too many verses in the Bible that say otherwise; one of the many indicators is how often Jesus preaches on hell. I've been told he talks more about it than any other topic, but I haven't had the time to add it up.

Are you also preaching the god-monster of Calvin? The whosoever in Jn 3:16 means anyone, for God has drawn ALL of us!

Monk Brendan · May 29, 2017

Thedictator said:
Only those who obey God's will shall be saved.

Sorry, only those that ask for His mercy will be saved.

Monk Brendan · May 29, 2017

dhh712 said:
That's not talking about favoritism, it's talking about the mercy of God. God declares in his word that he will show mercy to whom he will show mercy. It's up to him. In his eternal counsel, before the beginning of time, he predestinated some to everlasting life (not based on anything they did either; that's where the favoritism can come from since God is no respecter of persons, in that way he does not show favoritism). That's not playing favorites, it just what he wanted to do. You don't question God, he can do what he wants with his creation.

Mrs. Calvinist Dark Lord is preaching a god-monster of falsity. Thank God that He has more mercy than she does.

And I am above your Jedi Mind Tricks.

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