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They won't be able to say anything
All mouths will be silenced
Well, he sent them messengers like Stephen who they ended up killing. Still, Jesus said he’d hold them (the generation to whom he spoke) responsible, and he did. I already said all this.What does ".therefore" mean?
What did HE mean when HE said therefore I will send you prophets?
When HE scolded those who didn't believe inp
And it did. "All these things" as Jesus said, came upon THAT generation. The generation to whom Jesus spoke.Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 30And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute themfrom city to city: 35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
I already answered this. I have no idea why you keep asking these same questions. You don't know the answers? Or you think my answers will change?Why does CHRIST send prophets?
Why does HE even send witnesses?
All aren't saved right now. Many, many, many people are suffering without the hope of the message of God in their hearts.Why even is the GOSPEL preached if by CHRIST coming into the world all are saved
Because he was warning THAT group of men.Why would HE cry woe to any group of men
God holds people responsible for their actions.And why and how would HE avenge the deaths of every prophet?
He was talking about THEM. The present day generation.Did HE when HE said of that group whose fathers killed the prophets
Wherefore I send you prophets, was HE talking about that past generation or the future generation?
I don't believe that there are any more prophets.my two cents....
He was talking about prophets sent to Israel. Both the prophets who had been slain, the Apostles who would be slain by the unbelieving Jews, such as James. So it is past and future but still it is That generation. Jewish leaders or any Jew are not going around killing prophets and haven't since That generation.
Do you think they will be in the future? I don't. I don't know of any scripture that says they will be.
Remember, Jesus never speaks of "hell"; he speaks of Gehenna. The Valley of Hinnom (Gehenna) is only ever used by Jesus (with the one exception by James) when speaking to his fellow Jews because it had become a common symbol for God's divine punishment, and the nation to which Jesus spoke was about to endure a fiery judgment *in their lifetime* (i.e. the generation to whom Jesus spoke). So Jesus uses the Valley of Hinnom knowing that the nation of Israel (those to whom he spoke) will recognize that he is warning them of God's impending divine judgment *on a nation*, Israel. The Valley of Hinnom (or Gehenna) is analogous to the lake of fire as *both* are referred to as the "second death." When the author of Revelation writes about the "lake of fire" (the "second death"), he is picking up on Isaiah's use of the term when he wrote of DEAD bodies of the wicked stated to be in the Valley of Hinnom.Can you have it both ways?
Can Hell and death be finally and ultimately cast into the Lake of fire and still have these whose names were not found who are said to be cast into the Lake of fire also outside the gates of JERUSALEM still hoping to enter in?
That's not biblical.Especially since THE DOOR prior to the resurrection of the dead to be judged was shut
Do you have Scriptural support for this?The holy angel Lucifer has lost his existence, so the satan is not real.:
Tell that to the five foolish virginsRemember, Jesus never speaks of "hell"; he speaks of Gehenna. The Valley of Hinnom (Gehenna) is only ever used by Jesus (with the one exception by James) when speaking to his fellow Jews because it had become a common symbol for God's divine punishment, and the nation to which Jesus spoke was about to endure a fiery judgment *in their lifetime* (i.e. the generation to whom Jesus spoke). So Jesus uses the Valley of Hinnom knowing that the nation of Israel (those to whom he spoke) will recognize that he is warning them of God's impending divine judgment *on a nation*, Israel. The Valley of Hinnom (or Gehenna) is analogous to the lake of fire as *both* are referred to as the "second death." When the author of Revelation writes about the "lake of fire" (the "second death"), he is picking up on Isaiah's use of the term when he wrote of DEAD bodies of the wicked stated to be in the Valley of Hinnom.
That's not biblical.
Not sure we're saying something so different on this part here. As I wrote in my original post on this, it's from "The History of Hell" by Mark Edward. You could do a search on Aramaic translation and Isaiah and second death. If you want the primary source, I'll have to go back and look it up. In any event, there is no strong biblical evidence for the idea of hell as an eternal torture chamber for those who disobey God.You mentioned "ancient Aramaic translations" which is easy to say, but did you read my post [post #226] this thread where I presented actual evidence from, and linked to, the Jewish Encyclopedia and the Talmud?
Here is part of the first paragraph which I quoted from the Jewish Encyclopedia in post #226, linked to above, actual evidence which can be verified.
The place where children were sacrificed to the god Moloch … in the "valley of the son of Hinnom," to the south of Jerusalem (Josh. xv. 8, passim; II Kings xxiii. 10; Jer. ii. 23; vii. 31-32; xix. 6, 13-14). … the valley was deemed to be accursed, and "Gehenna" therefore soon became a figurative equivalent for "hell." Hell, like paradise, was created by God (Sotah 22a);I would be interested in seeing the actual sources which you cite.
On another planet???
Are you referring to Hebrews 8:1 "the main point is this"???
What is your comment referring to?
"Savior of the world IN the World" who are you quoting? you?
There's two fathers/two kingdoms/two feasts being preparedThe scientific support isn't enough? To be in war against God is to be in war against own Father. It is denial of own Existence.
Tell what to the "five foolish virgins"? That there is no torture chamber called hell? Since Gehenna had become a common symbol of divine judgment to the Jews, the "five foolish virgins" (unrepentant Israel) knew that when Jesus spoke of Gehenna he was referring to impending divine judgment. This parable is not about the resurrection and physical return of Christ. It's about the "coming of the Son of man" which refers to the coming judgment upon Israel in the last days of the Old Covenant system. That was swept away in AD 70. "In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away" (Heb. 8:13).Tell that to the five foolish virgins
This says nothing about the door being shut after people die. On the contrary, Rev. 21 says the gates to the city of God are NEVER shut.You might also want to review John 10 to see if it is biblical
Tell what to the "five foolish virgins"? That there is no torture chamber called hell? Since Gehenna had become a common symbol of divine judgment to the Jews, the "five foolish virgins" (unrepentant Israel) knew that when Jesus spoke of Gehenna he was referring to impending divine judgment. This parable is not about the resurrection and physical return of Christ. It's about the "coming of the Son of man" which refers to the coming judgment upon Israel in the last days of the Old Covenant system. That was swept away in AD 70. "In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away" (Heb. 8:13).
This says nothing about the door being shut after people die. On the contrary, Rev. 21 says the gates to the city of God are NEVER shut.
I never said or implied I have control over the door. John 10 says nothing about the door being shut after people die. On the contrary, Rev. 21 says the gates to the city of God are NEVER shut.I'm sorry
You have no control over THE DOOR
HE gets to decide to whom HE opens the DOOR and to whom
HE closes it
HE does however say HE stands at the DOOR and any man who hears HIS VOICE and opens THE DOOR, HE will come in and "eat/fellowship" with him and he with HIM
But HES's THE DOOR
It's amazing to me how many people here on this Christian forum that state -- that the whole world will be saved.
John 17:9
I pray for them: I pray not for the world
M-Bob
Jesus' warnings were to Israel and the coming judgment that took place in AD 70.THE DOOR/THE GATE/THE WAY to enter as described in Luke 13:
22And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29And they shall come from the east, and fromthe west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
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