Jesus could do no deed of power there

[Hmm]

A camel is a horse built by committee.

You've given me the hump now Steven

 

[Saint Steven]

You've given me the hump now Steven

Careful.
Sometimes things that mean one thing on your side of the Atlantic mean something entirely different on my side. - lol

 

[Hmm]

Careful.
Sometimes things that mean one thing on your side of the Atlantic mean something entirely different on my side. - lol

My bad joke reads entirely innocently on this side but apologies if it gives offence!

 

[Direct Driver]

BTW I have a Teac reel to reel tape deck much like the one you show. It is in my attic, I have not used it for years.

Heh. I sold all my open reel when I moved to Kentucky. Four decks, two of them very early 70's. Tape shedding and the simple age of the electronics just caused me to make the T-chart to answer the question, "should I keep doing this?" I sold them and a couple hundred tapes the next week.

One of them was given to me by a guy whos dad worked at a military radio station in Vietnam during the war. Every time they got another record in he'd record it to tape. That makes them fascinating, but there was a problem: He recorded them all at 3 3/4. There was a second problem, but it was more endearing, rather than a problem. There was a spinning radar antenna at the airbase and every time it was pointing directly at the station it would create a really faint buzz on the tape for about half a second.

I coveted the decks back when I sold the stuff in the 70's, so I prized them when I was able to get them cheap or for free. But that wore off fast.

Vinyl's my thing now.

 

[Saint Steven]

My bad joke reads entirely innocently on this side but apologies if it gives offence!

Of course. No worries.
So, what does it mean that I have "given" you "the hump"? (snicker)

Hmm said: ↑
You've given me the hump now Steven

 

[Hmm]

It means you have made me mildly annoyed. You haven't btw, it was just a joke! I hope it doesn't mean anything horrendous in the States.

The meaning might come from a cat with its back up looking like a hump?

 

[Clare73]

And yet, even empowered and enabled to believe, He still doesn't force us to make that act. Faith is both a gift and a human choice.

No force is required when we are disposed to do so.

 

[Clare73]

A person accepts or rejects the Gospel based on whether or not God altered their disposition to believe?

No one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him. (Jn 6:65)

All that the Father gives me will come to me. (Jn 6:37)

And I shall lose none of all that he has given me. (Jn 6:39)

You do the math. . .

 

[Hmm]

No force is required when we are disposed to do so.

True, but what you're saying is that God forces a change of disposition on us, without so much as a bye or leave.

 

[Mr. M]

No one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him. (Jn 6:65)

All that the Father gives me will come to me. (Jn 6:37)

And I shall lose none of all that he has given me. (Jn 6:39)

You do the math. . .

True, but what you're saying is that God forces a change of disposition on us, without so much as a bye or leave.

Romans 1:
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation
for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written,
The just shall live by faith.

Paul would not have warned of preaching "another Gospel" if it was not critical how the
Truth is presented by the Church.
Did the apostles ever preach, "accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and you will go to heaven
when you die"?;
or is the Gospel "live in righteousness and holiness with one another, because there will be
a Resurrection and A Judgment.
Your math works when all the variables are included in the equation.
The three statements are all Truth, when the Gospel is preached In Truth, In Simplicity,
and Godly Sincerity.

 

[Clare73]

True, but what you're saying is that God forces a change of disposition on us, without so much as a bye or leave.

No more than he forced sound and light on us.

 

[Clare73]

"Repent and believe!" (Mark 1:15)
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son that whoever
in him shall not perish but have eternal life." (John 3:16)

'Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only son." (John 3:18)

What role does the preaching of the Gospel play in allowing the Holy Spirit
to enabling a change in disposition of someone?

Don't know what you are asking in relation to my post above.

 

[Hmm]

No more than he forced sound and light on us.

Why do you think He forces our decisions on us, in particular our decision to believe in Him, but hasn't forced free will on us? I can think of lot's of reasons why someone may want Him to determine every thought we have but the truth is He wants us to be responsible for what we do.

 

[Mr. M]

No one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him. (Jn 6:65)

All that the Father gives me will come to me. (Jn 6:37)

And I shall lose none of all that he has given me. (Jn 6:39)

You do the math. . .

What role does the preaching of the Gospel play in allowing the Holy Spirit to enabling
a change in disposition of someone?

 

[Clare73]

Romans 1:
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation
for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written,
The just shall live by faith.

Paul would not have warned of preaching "another Gospel" if it was not
critical how the Truth is presented by the Church.

Do you think Paul was warning about how the gospel was preached in Galatia, or about what was preached in Galatia?

Did the apostles ever preach, "accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and you will go to heaven
when you die"?;
or is the Gospel "live in righteousness and holiness with one another, because there will be a Resurrection and A Judgment.

Isn't the gospel:

"Repent and believe!" (Mark 1:15)

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." (John 3:16)

"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only son." (John 3:18)

Your math works when all the variables are included in the equation.

Can equations have variables within the equation?

The three statements are all Truth, when the Gospel is preached In Truth, In Simplicity, and Godly Sincerity.

Do you really think God's Truth is conditioned on something other than himself, which can make his Truth actually untrue?

 

[Mr. M]

Isn't the gospel:

"Repent and believe!" (Mark 1:15)

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." (John 3:16)

"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only son." (John 3:18)

What role does the preaching of the Gospel play in allowing the Holy Spirit to "enabling
a change in disposition" of someone?

Is there "another Gospel" that the Holy Spirit will not convict to repentance, or as you put it,
a change in disposition?

Don't know what you are asking in relation to my post.

Did the apostles ever preach, "accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and you will go to heaven
when you die"?;
or is the Gospel "live in righteousness and holiness with one another, because there will be
a Resurrection and A Judgment.

 

[Clare73]

Why do you think He forces our decisions on us, in particular our decision to believe in Him, but hasn't forced free will on us?

And where's the force when you are disposed to do so?

No one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him. (Jn 6:65)

All that the Father gives me will come to me. (Jn 6:37)

And I shall lose none of all that he has given me. (Jn 6:39)

]I can think of lot's of reasons why someone may want Him to determine every thought we have but the truth is He wants us to be responsible for what we do.

Is that an assumption on your part, or do you find that in Scripture?

 

[Clare73]

What role does the preaching of the Gospel play in allowing the Holy Spirit to enabling
a change in disposition of someone?

Do you think God the Holy Spirit needs to be "allowed"?

 

[Clare73]

Is there "another Gospel" that the Holy Spirit will not convict to repentance, or as you put it,
a change in disposition?

Paul was referring to "another gospel" of the false brothers (Galatians 2:4), the Judaizers, who held that Gentile converts should be circumcised and obey the law of Moses (see Acts 15:5).

Paul anathematizes (curses, curem) all who preach such a "gospel." (Galatians 1:8-9)

 

[Mr. M]

Do you think God the Holy Spirit needs to be "allowed"?

I know that He will not convict to repentance in the preaching of "another Gospel".
And yet, you still can't answer a simple question:

Did the apostles ever preach, "accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and you will go to heaven
when you die"?;
or is the Gospel "live in righteousness and holiness with one another, because there will be
a Resurrection and A Judgment.