Jesus believes the sun revolves around the earth

[ristretto]

Well, if I take Genesis literally then why not also with the rest of the Bible.

Matthew 5:45 so that you will become children of your Father in heaven, because he makes his sun rise on both evil and good people, and he lets rain fall on the righteous and the unrighteous.

So Jesus believes that God makes the sun rise, so literally the Sun moves, like a balloon with Helium rises/moves. So if the sun does the moving, the earth must be standing still.

Sometimes all this literal talking is making me think silly. And for all you people with no sense of humor, flame away!

 

[Calminian]

Well, if I take Genesis literally then why not also with the rest of the Bible.

Matthew 5:45 so that you will become children of your Father in heaven, because he makes his sun rise on both evil and good people, and he lets rain fall on the righteous and the unrighteous.

I met a modern policeman that denied slow shifting continental shelves. It's true! While driving my car, he told me to stop! Didn't he know this is impossible? He also was denying the earth rotating, moving around the sun, and the sun orbiting the center of the milky way.

But the way, the bible also talks about jesus stopping when he thought someone touched him. Duh! I guess the author was also denying everything that policeman was.

So I'm with ya dude. Great great argument. You're really really smart.

 

[KWCrazy]

So Jesus believes that God makes the sun rise, so literally the Sun moves, like a balloon with Helium rises/moves.

You know, my weatherman has been sunrise and sunset for years. What ARE we to think?

 

[Calminian]

You know, my weatherman has been sunrise and sunset for years. What ARE we to think?

Oh, for sure. Geocentrists have been infiltrating our weather organizations for some time now. They are very dangerous people.

 

[Assyrian]

So how come in a race, it is the people on the track who end up collapsed with exhaustion while the man with the starter pistol is as fresh as a daisy?

 

[Siyha]

Of course the sun revolves around the earth. Is there some theory out there contrary to this?

 

[rockytriton]

Don't forget that Jesus says that only through him can you make it into heaven. So that means you need to actually bore a hole into Jesus and go through him if you really want to take it literally.

 

[werr]

Well, if I take Genesis literally then why not also with the rest of the Bible.

Matthew 5:45 so that you will become children of your Father in heaven, because he makes his sun rise on both evil and good people, and he lets rain fall on the righteous and the unrighteous.

So Jesus believes that God makes the sun rise, so literally the Sun moves, like a balloon with Helium rises/moves. So if the sun does the moving, the earth must be standing still.

Sometimes all this literal talking is making me think silly. And for all you people with no sense of humor, flame away!

You didn't even bother to comprehend the passage... Just why would you assume that's what he meant? What do people say these days? "Oh, what a beautiful sunrise!" "Look the sun already raised" and so on. Does that mean they believe the sun revolves around the earth?

Even if you are making a joke, it doesn't make any sense

Besides, in the original greek text (TR) is used the verb "anatello" (sorry I don't have a greek keyboard) whos main use in the new testament is "rise" as in sunrise. It is also used that the Lord rised from Juda and a cloud can also rise in the sky...

Don't forget that Jesus says that only through him can you make it into heaven. So that means you need to actually bore a hole into Jesus and go through him if you really want to take it literally.

Very true

 

[Mallon]

Whataminute! You're not implying that the Bible -- though inspired by God -- is written from man's limited, earth-bound perspective, are you??????

 

[shernren]

Whataminute! You're not implying that the Bible -- though inspired by God -- is written from man's limited, earth-bound perspective, are you??????

Of course it is, mallon, isn't it obvious that a "day" in Genesis 1 is unquestionably an Earth-bound day?

And according to Genesis 1:14 the entire point of the entire billion-light-year-wide universe, with its innumerable galaxies and cosmic wonders, is

to mark time for humans.

("My grandfather clock was too large for the shelf / and it made the cosmos redundant!")

 

[ToxicReboMan]

You didn't even bother to comprehend the passage... Just why would you assume that's what he meant? What do people say these days? "Oh, what a beautiful sunrise!" "Look the sun already raised" and so on. Does that mean they believe the sun revolves around the earth?

Even if you are making a joke, it doesn't make any sense

Besides, in the original greek text (TR) is used the verb "anatello" (sorry I don't have a greek keyboard) whos main use in the new testament is "rise" as in sunrise. It is also used that the Lord rised from Juda and a cloud can also rise in the sky...

Very true

Exactly. I don't know anyone who takes Scripture to such a literal extreme. Not a good argument made.

 

[Assyrian]

Exactly. I don't know anyone who takes Scripture to such a literal extreme. Not a good argument made.

It is how everybody in the history of the church took it before 1543 when Copernicus published his book on heliocentrism, and for quite some time after too. So while it is a literal interpretation, it is hardly extreme.

 

[Drekkan85]

Exactly. I don't know anyone who takes Scripture to such a literal extreme. Not a good argument made.

Yes, taking the bible literally without interpretation is a bad thing. Good thing we agree on that - now cross apply to Genesis.

 

[Mallon]

Yes, taking the bible literally without interpretation is a bad thing.

Technically, it is impossible to read anything without invoking some form of interpretation. Even reading something literally requires interpretation.

 

[brother_of_invention]

Is heliocentrism any less rediculous than geocentrism? I think Jesus was wise to general relativity.

 

[Jadin Xquire]

Well, if I take Genesis literally then why not also with the rest of the Bible.

Matthew 5:45 so that you will become children of your Father in heaven, because he makes his sun rise on both evil and good people, and he lets rain fall on the righteous and the unrighteous.

So Jesus believes that God makes the sun rise, so literally the Sun moves, like a balloon with Helium rises/moves. So if the sun does the moving, the earth must be standing still.

Sometimes all this literal talking is making me think silly. And for all you people with no sense of humor, flame away!

They both move. Earth is moving around the Sun and the Sun is moving in space. It all depends on the perspective of a person. If you are on earth the sun looks like it going around the earth. If you were able to be on the sun then all the planets in this solar system would look like they are moving around the sun. Jesus was speaking from the point of view of Earth. There is also a saying He said to a pharisee teacher.....(Paraphrase)"Why would I speak of the spiritual things if you can't understand the common things?...." 2 reasons he spoke in parables. For his true believers to understand the meaning of the parables and so the unbelievers wouldn't understand the parable. I guess you might not understand fully that passage. He was talking about how fair God is with all. We have wealthy Sinners as we have wealthy Righteous in this world. The "Sun" is a metaphor. Jesus was using the "Sun" in this illustration for his point. The subject on this passage was not the "Sun". It was how fair God is to all believers and unbelievers. Replace the word "Sun" with "Wealth" for better understanding. Also put "Wealth" in the place of "rain" and you will see the point.

What you have done was simply misinterpret this passage.

 

[Ave Maria]

Well, if I take Genesis literally then why not also with the rest of the Bible.

Matthew 5:45 so that you will become children of your Father in heaven, because he makes his sun rise on both evil and good people, and he lets rain fall on the righteous and the unrighteous.

So Jesus believes that God makes the sun rise, so literally the Sun moves, like a balloon with Helium rises/moves. So if the sun does the moving, the earth must be standing still.

Sometimes all this literal talking is making me think silly. And for all you people with no sense of humor, flame away!

I don't see how you get that from that passage. Modern man speaks about the sun rising and falling (setting) but yet we don't believe that the sun revolves (orbits) around the earth.

 

[davec375]

Well, if I take Genesis literally then why not also with the rest of the Bible.

Matthew 5:45 so that you will become children of your Father in heaven, because he makes his sun rise on both evil and good people, and he lets rain fall on the righteous and the unrighteous.

So Jesus believes that God makes the sun rise, so literally the Sun moves, like a balloon with Helium rises/moves. So if the sun does the moving, the earth must be standing still.

Sometimes all this literal talking is making me think silly. And for all you people with no sense of humor, flame away!

I ain't gonna flame you. But I just can't help thinking "earthrise" and "earthset" wouldn't have held any water?

Nevertheless, Jesus is correct, the sun does indeed rise and the sun does indeed set. He just failed to say by the rotational movements of the earth.

 

[pastorkevin73]

Well, if I take Genesis literally then why not also with the rest of the Bible.

Matthew 5:45 so that you will become children of your Father in heaven, because he makes his sun rise on both evil and good people, and he lets rain fall on the righteous and the unrighteous.

So Jesus believes that God makes the sun rise, so literally the Sun moves, like a balloon with Helium rises/moves. So if the sun does the moving, the earth must be standing still.

Sometimes all this literal talking is making me think silly. And for all you people with no sense of humor, flame away!

What a great example of someone not using proper herminutics.
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