Jesus as Michael

[EastCoastRemnant]

Throwing a poorly veiled insult at me.
Wil not change the fact that the suggestion that michael ..is jesus..no matter how remolty implied.is both an error and a lie.

So your contention that I was linked to the JW cult was to edify me?... right

Believe as you wish... I know the Biblical soundness of this. I consider it a blessing to know another facet of my Lord and Saviour.

Some just want to keep Him as a babe in the manger or hanging on the cross...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Angels leave Heaven on missions, and yet still are in His presence. In His presence they can drink the living water. They receive His presence and commissions and take messages and bring us buckets of living water and oil, and healing gifts...

The Bible mentions the "anointed cherub" and our traditions hold, this makes the anointed angels archangels. So the Holy Spirit oil is poured over these ones, in Heaven.

Anything Biblical to show these things?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Anything Biblical to show these things?

Yes, Genesis' Jacob's ladder. There is mention of angels in disguise and properly entertaining them. Genesis' angels visiting Sodom on a mission. Revelation and the river of life clear as crystal, flowing from His throne, Revelation 22, alongside the Tree of Life. For Heaven's citizens to eat and drink from.

Angel means messenger by translation.

From Moses most of all we are introduced to anointing by box of olive oil. King David was anointed king of Israel. It is mentioned in Kings...

KJV
Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Tobit mentions Raphael, in a story from exile times, written before the Gospels began.

I Corinthians 12 speaks of gifts of knowledge and healing. In the Gospel Nathan is told he shall see angels coming down... and Paul speaks of spiritual vision, and repentance, in Acts.

 

[Stillicidia]

Michael the archangel is leader of the hosts of heaven, which is the armies.

There will be no solid scriptural evidence towards him being Jesus.

 

[Alithis]

So your contention that I was linked to the JW cult was to edify me?... right

Believe as you wish... I know the Biblical soundness of this. I consider it a blessing to know another facet of my Lord and Saviour.

Some just want to keep Him as a babe in the manger or hanging on the cross...

this still does not excuse that even the suggestion or hint of implying that Michael is Jesus , is both an error and a lie . my intent was to link you to them only in that ..your promoting that same error

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

In the apostles' writing, we are warned of strange new teachings, which had already begun in the first century.The apostles built over old pagan and philosophical Greece and Rome... but then come new ideas. It matters because by our faith we are saved. By faith in Jesus. Jesus is God. To doubt Jesus is God and to think He is an angel or demi-god or prophet could cost you your faith and salvation, offered by and through faith in Jesus.

So if one thinks Jesus is the incarnation of Michael, it is not another facet of true faith, or the original teaching of the apostles, it is a doubt, a false teaching.

That is why there is apostolic succession and careful translation, and theology, to maintain, explain and defend the faith. John the apostle had a disciple called Polycarp who wrote epistles and became bishop as successor of John. JWs best read their works including up to Augustine, bishop of Hippo.

 

[miknik5]

Angels leave Heaven on missions, and yet still are in His presence. In His presence they can drink the living water. They receive His presence and commissions and take messages and bring us buckets of living water and oil, and healing gifts...

The Bible mentions the "anointed cherub" and our traditions hold, this makes the anointed angels archangels. So the Holy Spirit oil is poured over these ones, in Heaven.

We aren't looking to Angels. Angels are ministering spirits who help those who will have salvation. But they do not and can not provide salvation in themselves. They hold to the same TESTIMONY that believers in CHRIST JESUS (who is not Michael) hold to

 

[miknik5]

In the apostles' writing, we are warned of strange new teachings, which had already begun in the first century.The apostles built over old pagan and philosophical Greece and Rome... but then come new ideas. It matters because by our faith we are saved. By faith in Jesus. Jesus is God. To doubt Jesus is God and to think He is an angel or demi-god or prophet could cost you your faith and salvation, offered by and through faith in Jesus.

So if one thinks Jesus is the incarnation of Michael, it is not another facet of true faith, or the original teaching of the apostles, it is a doubt, a false teaching.

That is why there is apostolic succession and careful translation, and theology, to maintain, explain and defend the faith. John the apostle had a disciple called Polycarp who wrote epistles and became bishop as successor of John. JWs best read their works including up to Augustine, bishop of Hippo.

Good post

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

We aren't looking to Angels. Angels are ministering spirits who help those who will have salvation. But they do not and can not provide salvation in themselves. They hold to the same TESTIMONY that believers in CHRIST JESUS (who is not Michael) hold to

Yeah, angels bring messages to us and messages from us, our prayers. God is almighty. I wonder what it would be like if two thirds of angels fell and not one third?

Just adding, the book of Exodus mentions the Angel of the Lord, who has God's name in him, and who stayed behind Israel protecting them. It was said he did not have to forgive sins against him. He was to be revered. From my understanding, this angel could be likened to a planet, like Earth, God's filling in him, the rock, his spirit, the atmosphere. It's God's presence that makes them glorious over and above earthly holiness.

 

[miknik5]

Yeah, angels bring messages to us and messages from us, our prayers. God is almighty. I wonder what it would be like if two thirds of angels fell and not one third?

Just adding, the book of Exodus mentions the Angel of the Lord, who has God's name in him, and who stayed behind Israel protecting them. It was said he did not have to forgive sins against him. He was to be revered. From my understanding, this angel could be likened to a planet, like Earth, God's filling in him, the rock, his spirit, the atmosphere. It's God's presence that makes them glorious over and above earthly holiness.

No
Today GOD speaks to us by HIS SON

And angels are not to be worshipped

 

[miknik5]

And if an angel comes bringing "another message" than the MESSAGE received have nothing to do with him

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

No
Today GOD speaks to us by HIS SON

And angels are not to be worshipped

In the Gospel angels are there after the resurrection with messages. They still work. They don't preach but they help us. They bring dreams from Jesus, and take us when we die, to Jesus. Angels serve Him.

If you could see the hand of God, would you see a big hand on someone, or would you see an angel?

 

[miknik5]

In the Gospel angels are there after the resurrection with messages. They still work. They don't preach but they help us. They bring dreams from Jesus, and take us when we die, to Jesus. Angels serve Him.

If you could see the hand of God, would you see a big hand on someone, or would you see an angel?

I would see JESUS who is as the finger of GOD

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

I think we can experience Jesus presence for sure, and sometimes it could be a great presence of Jesus in an angel, who surrenders to Him. The angels are still in use. Such as in the empty tomb Gospel scene. We still have guardian angels. God's name is still in them, they were not a temporary measure. I think if I saw God's finger, I would see an angel ministering with God's presence and power having filled him, and he would be exact and instant at obedience and wise against the unclean spirit.

St Michael still serves Jesus.

 

[Alithis]

I think we can experience Jesus presence for sure, and sometimes it could be a great presence of Jesus in an angel, who surrenders to Him. The angels are still in use. Such as in the empty tomb Gospel scene. We still have guardian angels. God's name is still in them, they were not a temporary measure. I think if I saw God's finger, I would see an angel ministering with God's presence and power having filled him, and he would be exact and instant at obedience and wise against the unclean spirit.

St Michael still serves Jesus.

i do, thats true

 

[miknik5]

I think we can experience Jesus presence for sure, and sometimes it could be a great presence of Jesus in an angel, who surrenders to Him. The angels are still in use. Such as in the empty tomb Gospel scene. We still have guardian angels. God's name is still in them, they were not a temporary measure. I think if I saw God's finger, I would see an angel ministering with God's presence and power having filled him, and he would be exact and instant at obedience and wise against the unclean spirit.

St Michael still serves Jesus.

I think you need to review Hebrews 1 and 2

Angels are aervants with us who hold to the TESTINONY of JESUS

what "better message" would they be bringing?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

No mention of any message other than the ones given them by God.

 

[miknik5]

No mention of any message other than the ones given them by God.

There wouldn't be a changed message than the Message already given

Again if one comes with "another message" don't accept it

 

[miknik5]

There wouldn't be a changed message than the Message already given

Again if one comes with "another message" don't accept it

I wonder what GOD has overlooked in the story of our salvation in, by and through The Son?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Anything Biblical to show these things?

Do you need more exact quotations?
So you see, it is not beneficial for your faith and salvation if you think Jesus is an angel.