Jesus 40 days after the Resurrection...What did he do???

[SAAN]

So after he rose from the grave he was still on the earth for 40 days, so since many claim they are following Jesus teachings and examples let pose some examples.

In the 40 days after he rose:

Where in scriptures did Jesus abolish all the laws of God?

Where did Jesus say the Sabbath is now abolished in favor of Sunday?

Where did Jesus go around starting up Sunday churches?

Where did Jesus say Passover and Unleavened Bread will replaced with Communion/The Lords Supper?

Where did Jesus say to make sure you take up a collection on Sunday morning and make sure you call it a tithe?

Where did Jesus say a tithe is now money?

Where did Jesus say to remember his death with pagan fertility symbols?

Where did Jesus say to remember his birth with pagan customs and to celebrate it on the same days the pagans will celebrate their idols birthday?

Where did Jesus say is is now okay to eat unclean foods?

Where did Jesus say he is now a Christian and starting a new religion called Christianity?

 

[bugkiller]

So after he rose from the grave he was still on the earth for 40 days, so since many claim they are following Jesus teachings and examples let pose some examples.

In the 40 days after he rose:

Where in scriptures did Jesus abolish all the laws of God?

Where did Jesus say the Sabbath is now abolished in favor of Sunday?

Where did Jesus go around starting up Sunday churches?

Where did Jesus say Passover and Unleavened Bread will replaced with Communion/The Lords Supper?

Where did Jesus say to make sure you take up a collection on Sunday morning and make sure you call it a tithe?

Where did Jesus say a tithe is now money?

Where did Jesus say to remember his death with pagan fertility symbols?

Where did Jesus say to remember his birth with pagan customs and to celebrate it on the same days the pagans will celebrate their idols birthday?

Where did Jesus say is is now okay to eat unclean foods?

Where did Jesus say he is now a Christian and starting a new religion called Christianity?

Are you trying to start some trouble?

bugkiller

 

[bloodygrace]

So after he rose from the grave he was still on the earth for 40 days, so since many claim they are following Jesus teachings and examples let pose some examples.

In the 40 days after he rose:

Where in scriptures did Jesus abolish all the laws of God?

Where did Jesus say the Sabbath is now abolished in favor of Sunday?

Where did Jesus go around starting up Sunday churches?

Where did Jesus say Passover and Unleavened Bread will replaced with Communion/The Lords Supper?

Where did Jesus say to make sure you take up a collection on Sunday morning and make sure you call it a tithe?

Where did Jesus say a tithe is now money?

Where did Jesus say to remember his death with pagan fertility symbols?

Where did Jesus say to remember his birth with pagan customs and to celebrate it on the same days the pagans will celebrate their idols birthday?

Where did Jesus say is is now okay to eat unclean foods?

Where did Jesus say he is now a Christian and starting a new religion called Christianity?

Jesus said all these things when he commissioned Paul to preach his gospel. Paul is the mouthpiece of Christ.

 

[disciple1]

So after he rose from the grave he was still on the earth for 40 days, so since many claim they are following Jesus teachings and examples let pose some examples.

In the 40 days after he rose:

Where in scriptures did Jesus abolish all the laws of God?

Where did Jesus say the Sabbath is now abolished in favor of Sunday?

Where did Jesus go around starting up Sunday churches?

Where did Jesus say Passover and Unleavened Bread will replaced with Communion/The Lords Supper?

Where did Jesus say to make sure you take up a collection on Sunday morning and make sure you call it a tithe?

Where did Jesus say a tithe is now money?

Where did Jesus say to remember his death with pagan fertility symbols?

Where did Jesus say to remember his birth with pagan customs and to celebrate it on the same days the pagans will celebrate their idols birthday?

Where did Jesus say is is now okay to eat unclean foods?

Where did Jesus say he is now a Christian and starting a new religion called Christianity?

Jesus declared all foods clean.

Where did Jesus say is is now okay to eat unclean foods?

It really doesn't matter anyway, your only born of God through love not by obeying the law not by faith alone, but by love.
John chapter 11
51 He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation, 52 and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one.
1 John chapter 4
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

 

[SAAN]

Are you trying to start some trouble?

bugkiller

Nope asking valid questions based on the many responses from other topics on here.

 

[SAAN]

Jesus said all these things when he commissioned Paul to preach his gospel. Paul is the mouthpiece of Christ.

 

[SAAN]

No he didnt. You have twisted much of Paul's words so to any of those conclusions. No one except God/Jesus can add or take away from scriptures. Like I said, Jesus was still here 40 days after his resurrection, so any of the supposed changes he could have easily informed the disciples and not have to wait for Paul.

 

[SAAN]

Jesus declared all foods clean.

It really doesn't matter anyway, your only born of God through love not by obeying the law not by faith alone, but by love.
John chapter 11
51 He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation, 52 and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one.
1 John chapter 4
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

Wrong , if Jesus declare all foods clean, he would have been going against his fathers own commands and teaching others to sin. At that point he could no longer be the Messiah as a sinner.

This is not whether we love one another or not, this is about, the main parts of our doctrines today, where did Jesus command all of this since him and God are the one who make the rules and never command any of what was questioned.

Jesus was on earth for 40 days and had plenty of time to tell what the supposed changes would have been, if he actually made any.

 

[bloodygrace]

No he didnt. You have twisted much of Paul's words so to any of those conclusions. No one except God/Jesus can add or take away from scriptures. Like I said, Jesus was still here 40 days after his resurrection, so any of the supposed changes he could have easily informed the disciples and not have to wait for Paul.

Jesus preached faith more than Paul you just refuse to acknowledge it. The parable of the talents was about increasing our faith not our good deeds!

 

[disciple1]

Wrong , if Jesus declare all foods clean, he would have been going against his fathers own commands and teaching others to sin. At that point he could no longer be the Messiah as a sinner.

This is not whether we love one another or not, this is about, the main parts of our doctrines today, where did Jesus command all of this since him and God are the one who make the rules and never command any of what was questioned.

Jesus was on earth for 40 days and had plenty of time to tell what the supposed changes would have been, if he actually made any.

Mark chapter 7 verse 19
For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

 

[SAAN]

Mark chapter 7 verse 19
For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

Mark 7:17-19
17 When He had entered a house away from the crowd, His disciples asked Him concerning the parable. 18 So He said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?”

and

Matthew 15:16-20
16 So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”


-The whole issue in both these parallel chapters were the Pharisees were accusing them of eating with unwashed hands.

Matthew 15:2
2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

Mark 7:5
5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?”


-Jesus then went on to challenge them as to why do they put aside the commands of God to follow their traditions. So it would make no sense for Jesus to tell them about stop putting aside the commands of God and following the traditions of men and then turn right around and tell them it is now okay to put aside the commands of God and you can now break the dietary laws. The issue was about eating with unwashed hands, not dietary laws debate.


-Jesus no where says in either of those 2 chapters, you now have a free ticket to eat unclean foods now and there was not even any debate on clean vs unclean foods in those chapters.


-Mathew 15 and Mark 7:19 make it very clear that eating with unwashed hands doesn't defile you or make anyone unclean, so those verses CANT be used to say Jesus said we cant eat whatever we want.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Wrong , if Jesus declare all foods clean, he would have been going against his fathers own commands and teaching others to sin. At that point he could no longer be the Messiah as a sinner.

Amein.

On the other hand, the GOOD NEWS - why should anyone allow gentiles into meetings of ekklesia (believers) ?

Who ever made that possible ?

After all, before this, all the Jews considered all the gentiles pagans, not even to associate with them at all.

i.e. ALL the gentiles (except those who honor TORAH), were (rightly) considered UNCLEAN.... (and described with many worse words by Jesus and the disciples).

Who ever thought the pagan people could be made CLEAN ? And WHO DID IT ? WHO said they could ever be clean ? (and able to be in the body of CHRIST with all the 'CLEAN' believers ? )

 

[disciple1]

Mark 7:17-19
17 When He had entered a house away from the crowd, His disciples asked Him concerning the parable. 18 So He said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?”

and

Matthew 15:16-20
16 So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”


-The whole issue in both these parallel chapters were the Pharisees were accusing them of eating with unwashed hands.

Matthew 15:2
2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

Mark 7:5
5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?”


-Jesus then went on to challenge them as to why do they put aside the commands of God to follow their traditions. So it would make no sense for Jesus to tell them about stop putting aside the commands of God and following the traditions of men and then turn right around and tell them it is now okay to put aside the commands of God and you can now break the dietary laws. The issue was about eating with unwashed hands, not dietary laws debate.


-Jesus no where says in either of those 2 chapters, you now have a free ticket to eat unclean foods now and there was not even any debate on clean vs unclean foods in those chapters.


-Mathew 15 and Mark 7:19 make it very clear that eating with unwashed hands doesn't defile you or make anyone unclean, so those verses CANT be used to say Jesus said we cant eat whatever we want.

Anyone who preaches the law and doesn't obey it is a hypocrite, and no one obeys the law.
Romans chapter 7
4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

 

[JoeP222w]

Where in scriptures did Jesus abolish all the laws of God?

He did no such thing.

Where did Jesus say the Sabbath is now abolished in favor of Sunday?

He did not. However, He also did not say it was a sin to worship on Sunday.

Where did Jesus go around starting up Sunday churches?

See previous response.

Where did Jesus say Passover and Unleavened Bread will replaced with Communion/The Lords Supper?

He didn't, but I don't know of any Christian or Bible teaching that says that Communion/Lord Supper replaces Passover/Unleavened bread. So this is a Straw Man.

Where did Jesus say to make sure you take up a collection on Sunday morning and make sure you call it a tithe?

He didn't. But again, He also did not forbid it. The tithe and offerings are a guideline, not a requirement, no matter which day you give it on.

Where did Jesus say a tithe is now money?

He didn't. But you are forwarding the same Straw Man.

Where did Jesus say to remember his death with pagan fertility symbols?

He did no such thing, and no Christian that I know of ever did such a thing. Another Straw Man.

Where did Jesus say is is now okay to eat unclean foods?

Acts 10.

Where did Jesus say he is now a Christian and starting a new religion called Christianity?

Christians follow Christ, hence the name Christian. Christianity is not a "new" religion. It is worship of God, by His grace, through the Son.

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Why do you classify yourself Christian in your profile if you hate Christ so much?

 

[SAAN]

He did no such thing.



He did not. However, He also did not say it was a sin to worship on Sunday.



See previous response.



He didn't, but I don't know of any Christian or Bible teaching that says that Communion/Lord Supper replaces Passover/Unleavened bread. So this is a Straw Man.



He didn't. But again, He also did not forbid it. The tithe and offerings are a guideline, not a requirement, no matter which day you give it on.



He didn't. But you are forwarding the same Straw Man.



He did no such thing, and no Christian that I know of ever did such a thing. Another Straw Man.



Acts 10.



Christians follow Christ, hence the name Christian. Christianity is not a "new" religion. It is worship of God, by His grace, through the Son.

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Why do you classify yourself Christian in your profile if you hate Christ so much?

I dont hate Christ, im calling out the many on here that supposedly Love him, but preaches everything against what he taught and did. The fact you would even state that shows you never come to this section at all to come to that conclusion.

The fact that you quoted Acts 10 shows you didnt even read the entire chapter to get the actual context on not referring to gentiles as unclean, the food laws weren't even being debated there.

And if "no Christian that I know of ever did such a thing.", you clearly haven't seen modern day Easter and Christmas.

 

[SAAN]

Anyone who preaches the law and doesn't obey it is a hypocrite, and no one obeys the law.
Romans chapter 7
4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

There is no where in the entire bible that teaches against keeping the commands of God, like the few others on there, you keep ignoring the context of the issue and keep falsely accusing anyone who says to keep the commandments ( the ones that still apply) as telling others to keep the entire law and assume we reject Christ because that is the only way you can to those conclusion.

God knows were are imperfect and never expected us to keep his commandments perfectly, bu we should have a desire to do so and when we fall short and sin, that is where grace comes in top repent.

And before a certain insectkiller on here replies with the usual, that is abusing grace....you abuse grace when you knowingly know what you are about to do is wrong and do it anyways with the intention of just say the usual forgive me afterwards.

 

[disciple1]

There is no where in the entire bible that teaches against keeping the commands of God, like the few others on there, you keep ignoring the context of the issue and keep falsely accusing anyone who says to keep the commandments ( the ones that still apply) as telling others to keep the entire law and assume we reject Christ because that is the only way you can to those conclusion.

God knows were are imperfect and never expected us to keep his commandments perfectly, bu we should have a desire to do so and when we fall short and sin, that is where grace comes in top repent.

And before a certain insectkiller on here replies with the usual, that is abusing grace....you abuse grace when you knowingly know what you are about to do is wrong and do it anyways with the intention of just say the usual forgive me afterwards.

Romans chapter 4
13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

never expected us to keep his commandments perfectly, bu we should have a desire to do so and when we fall short and sin, that is where grace comes in top repent.

No one obeys the law if you try Christ didn't die for you.

 

[JoeP222w]

im calling out the many on here that supposedly Love him, but preaches everything against what he taught and did.

You stated your opinion, you did not refute anything using scripture.

The fact you would even state that shows you never come to this section at all to come to that conclusion.

I don't base my doctrine, by the grace of God, on what man says, but rather on what God says in His inerrant word of the Bible.

The fact that you quoted Acts 10 shows you didnt even read the entire chapter to get the actual context on not referring to gentiles as unclean, the food laws weren't even being debated there.

Peter's vision from God in Acts 10 was declaring that there are no more unclean foods, as well as, that the Gentiles are no longer to be considered unclean.

And if "no Christian that I know of ever did such a thing.", you clearly haven't seen modern day Easter and Christmas.

How someone celebrates Easter and Christmas does not define Christianity.

 

[bloodygrace]

So if I throw back a rack of baby back ribs am I sinning?

 

[disciple1]

You stated your opinion, you did not refute anything using scripture.



I don't base my doctrine, by the grace of God, on what man says, but rather on what God says in His inerrant word of the Bible.



Peter's vision from God in Acts 10 was declaring that there are no more unclean foods, as well as, that the Gentiles are no longer to be considered unclean.



How someone celebrates Easter and Christmas does not define Christianity.

but rather on what God says in His inerrant word of the Bible.

Galatians chapter 5 verse 4
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
If your going by the word of God you understand this and study his word, and know that it is by faith expressing itself in love we're justified.