Jesus 40 days after the Resurrection...What did he do???

[JoeP222w]

Galatians chapter 5 verse 4
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
If your going by the word of God you understand this and study his word, and know that it is by faith expressing itself in love we're justified.

I agree.

 

[SAAN]

Galatians chapter 5 verse 4
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
If your going by the word of God you understand this and study his word, and know that it is by faith expressing itself in love we're justified.

Good ole Galatains, one of the most misunderstood books in the bible. The issue on what Paul is addressing in the majority of this chapter like in other parts of the NT, was the circumcision party. Just like in the book of Acts, they were going around telling people they must first be circumcised in order to be saved and there is no where in the bible that says you are not saved unless you are circumcised in the flesh.

When Paul keeps talking to them about the law, he is addressing the fact that law keeping and rejecting the Messiah, by thinking all you need is the law and not him, will end you under a curse of the law, which is death. Jesus snailed the penalty of the law to the cross for all those that belie in him. If you reject the Messiah, you have no grace. So that verse Gal 5:4 is correct in which if you try to justify yourself by the law and think circumcision gives you salvation, you have fallen from grace.

You can cherry pick verses all day long to have them mean what you want, but when you look at the whole issue in context , thing make more sense.

 

[disciple1]

Good ole Galatains, one of the most misunderstood books in the bible. The issue on what Paul is addressing in the majority of this chapter like in other parts of the NT, was the circumcision party. Just like in the book of Acts, they were going around telling people they must first be circumcised in order to be saved and there is no where in the bible that says you are not saved unless you are circumcised in the flesh.

When Paul keeps talking to them about the law, he is addressing the fact that law keeping and rejecting the Messiah, by thinking all you need is the law and not him, will end you under a curse of the law, which is death. Jesus snailed the penalty of the law to the cross for all those that belie in him. If you reject the Messiah, you have no grace. So that verse Gal 5:4 is correct in which if you try to justify yourself by the law and think circumcision gives you salvation, you have fallen from grace.

You can cherry pick verses all day long to have them mean what you want, but when you look at the whole issue in context , thing make more sense.

1 John chapter 4
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
Since most people misunderstand Galatians as you say maybe they should look at this.
Matthew chapter 4 verse 4
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
Romans chapter 1 verse 28
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
2 John
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
Job chapter 23 verse 12
I have not departed from the commands of his lips; I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my daily bread.

Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Luke chapter 21
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Romans chapter 10
17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
Mark chapter 13
31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
James chapter 1
25 But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do.
James chapter 4
8 Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
Isaiah chapter 45 verse 19
I have not spoken in secret, from somewhere in a land of darkness; I have not said to Jacob's descendants, 'Seek me in vain.' I, the LORD, speak the truth; I declare what is right.
Jeremiah chapter 9
24 but let the one who boasts boast about this:
that they have the understanding to know me,
that I am the Lord, who exercises kindness,
justice and righteousness on earth,
for in these I delight,”
declares the Lord.
Jeremiah chapter 5 verse 1
5 “Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem,
look around and consider,
search through her squares.
If you can find but one person
who deals honestly and seeks the truth,
I will forgive this city.

 

[bugkiller]

Mark 7:17-19
17 When He had entered a house away from the crowd, His disciples asked Him concerning the parable. 18 So He said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?”

and

Matthew 15:16-20
16 So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”


-The whole issue in both these parallel chapters were the Pharisees were accusing them of eating with unwashed hands.

Matthew 15:2
2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

Mark 7:5
5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?”


-Jesus then went on to challenge them as to why do they put aside the commands of God to follow their traditions. So it would make no sense for Jesus to tell them about stop putting aside the commands of God and following the traditions of men and then turn right around and tell them it is now okay to put aside the commands of God and you can now break the dietary laws. The issue was about eating with unwashed hands, not dietary laws debate.


-Jesus no where says in either of those 2 chapters, you now have a free ticket to eat unclean foods now and there was not even any debate on clean vs unclean foods in those chapters.


-Mathew 15 and Mark 7:19 make it very clear that eating with unwashed hands doesn't defile you or make anyone unclean, so those verses CANT be used to say Jesus said we cant eat whatever we want.

Yes it is true the issue raised was about their traditions. Jesus answered them and gave them more than they bargained for by further discussing defilement. Since your issue stops with the hands, I want to know when they enter the mouth and pass out in the draught.

Jesus said it was not what entered the mouth that defiled.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Why do you classify yourself Christian in your profile if you hate Christ so much?

That is referred to as a necessary evil.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I dont hate Christ, im calling out the many on here that supposedly Love him, but preaches everything against what he taught and did. The fact you would even state that shows you never come to this section at all to come to that conclusion.

The fact that you quoted Acts 10 shows you didnt even read the entire chapter to get the actual context on not referring to gentiles as unclean, the food laws weren't even being debated there.

And if "no Christian that I know of ever did such a thing.", you clearly haven't seen modern day Easter and Christmas.

But not all Christians fall into the class you want to put them in. You refer to religion and not Christians in doing so.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

There is no where in the entire bible that teaches against keeping the commands of God, like the few others on there, you keep ignoring the context of the issue and keep falsely accusing anyone who says to keep the commandments ( the ones that still apply) as telling others to keep the entire law and assume we reject Christ because that is the only way you can to those conclusion.

What laws do you want other to keep? James says if you violate one of them you violate all of them. Thus a lair is also guilty of adultery and theft. If you do not adhere to all the aspects of the 4th you simply do not keep the law (commandments).

God knows were are imperfect and never expected us to keep his commandments perfectly, bu we should have a desire to do so and when we fall short and sin, that is where grace comes in top repent.

No, God does not. Isa 63:17 and Rom 11:32 not to mention the requirement of repentance and sacrifice.

And before a certain insectkiller on here replies with the usual, that is abusing grace....you abuse grace when you knowingly know what you are about to do is wrong and do it anyways with the intention of just say the usual forgive me afterwards.

Thanks for the nick name. Now what exactly am I doing wrong? Upsetting false doctrine apple carts?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Romans chapter 4
13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

No one obeys the law if you try Christ didn't die for you.

Amen!!!!

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

So if I throw back a rack of baby back ribs am I sinning?

Only if we are not invited.

bugkiller

 

[bloodygrace]

Only if we are not invited.

bugkiller

lol