JD Vance says culture is attacking masculinity, creating 'androgynous idiots'

[Aldebaran]

 

[RileyG]

He's right!

I agree!

 

[jas3]

Vance is right. Take for instance the Boy Scouts, or as they now prefer to be called, "Scouts BSA" (what does the B stand for?). It's really sad that what was a fixture of American life and an opportunity for young men to get out into nature and learn skills and discipline, "to serve God and my country," has been wrecked by those who hate masculinity. Trail Life USA and similar organizations have filled that void to some extent, but none of them have the kind of reach or infrastructure the Boy Scouts did.

 

[RileyG]

Nobody has a clue what monks are doing behind closed doors sexually

We have all seen the sexual outcomes in denominations that don't allow their priest's leaders to marry?

Red herring.

A vast majority of priests, monks, and nuns are NOT abusers. That’s a fact.

Many married men (and women) are indeed sexual abusers.

It has nothing to do with chastity.

 

[RileyG]

What about public schools? Protestant Churches?(A rash of that lately). Married men molesting family members and children of friends? If you think marriage cures the problem, you do not know enough about the problem.Jesus did not marry either. Neither did Paul. Nuns do not deny their sex either but live out chastity.

Yup. It’s everywhere, sadly.

 

[RileyG]

I'm asking your opinion.

I already know that homophobia is bad.

-CryptoLutheran

Homophobia? Saying sin is sin isn’t bad. And to clarify, every person deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. Look how Jesus treated the woman at the well in John 4, or the woman caught in adultery in John 8. He called them to repentance, while being kind and charitable.

 

[RileyG]

Vance is right. Take for instance the Boy Scouts, or as they now prefer to be called, "Scouts BSA" (what does the B stand for?). It's really sad that what was a fixture of American life and an opportunity for young men to get out into nature and learn skills and discipline, "to serve God and my country," has been wrecked by those who hate masculinity. Trail Life USA and similar organizations have filled that void to some extent, but none of them have the kind of reach or infrastructure the Boy Scouts did.

It’s sad.

 

[linux.poet]

MOD HAT ON​

A cleanup has been done on this thread to remove some responses to deleted posts that were removed in other staff actions. Just cleaning up our mess, nothing to see here.

MOD HAT OFF​

 

[iluvatar5150]

Andrew Tate= Toxic thug.

And yet Vance's boss is trying to get him off the hook. Makes ya wonder what JD really thinks a man ought to be.

Trump's entire schtick is about playing the victim, getting revenge, and just generally being chaotic, unprincipled and mean. From over here, it looks like the entire MAGA movement is crying out to let men be boys.

 

[The Sentinel]

Vance is one of the most educated, respected people I know of. The fact that he's the first Millennial as the VP is awesome to me. He went through 9/11, Operation Iraqi Freedom (3 tours), took the GI bill to get a law degree and wrote a book about his life and philosophies on issues. Also he explains why he converted to Catholicism. Personally, he's a politician so we'll get what we get. Hopefully, he's more like Judas Maccabee and loyal to his cause and not that Judas Iscariot VP known as Mike Pence. I'm actually confident in his ability to run things if President Trump isn't able to finish a term. He completely CHECKED Zeleninsky in the oval office which was refreshing as heck considering all the money we send them. I dunno. I converted to Christianity simply because "who can you trust when everyone' a crook?" You can trust in Jesus. And I now have a personal relationship with my lord and savior.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

How are people being turned into robots tho?

Oh wait, it's about being fabulous, not being a walking mannequin.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Vance is one of the most educated, respected people I know of.

If that’s the case, you ought to get out more. I’m not dinging his education, but there are a lot of people in the upper echelons of government, media, and industry who went to Yale Law or something equally as impressive. Barack Obama, for example. He’s also not particularly well respected among half the country.

 

[Truth7t7]

If that’s the case, you ought to get out more. I’m not dinging his education, but there are a lot of people in the upper echelons of government, media, and industry who went to Yale Law or something equally as impressive. Barack Obama, for example. He’s also not particularly well respected among half the country.

Barrack Obama destroyed America, he was the man behind the scenes in Bidens Admin

 

[BPPLEE]

If that’s the case, you ought to get out more. I’m not dinging his education, but there are a lot of people in the upper echelons of government, media, and industry who went to Yale Law or something equally as impressive. Barack Obama, for example. He’s also not particularly well respected among half the country.

You could say the same thing about any president or VP

 

[The Lone Ranger]

Awe. C'mon man. Lol.

 

[MarkSB]

JD Vance said something we should care about?

Ya'll should know... nothing says masculinity like obese men with orange spray tans.

 

[Jermayn]

To be fair, I think both sides have missed the mark when it comes to masculinity. When traditional conservatism dominated culture, it often produced a version of manhood that was toxic, where anything not “macho” was seen as weak, where some men treated their wives more like property than partners, and where anyone who didn’t meet a certain standard of toughness was mocked or marginalized. Now, we’ve swung hard in the opposite direction. The result? A generation of men who are often unsure of their identity, hesitant to lead, and struggling to step into the role God designed for them, especially as spiritual leaders in their homes.

Both extremes have had their time in the spotlight, and both have failed. The issue isn’t political, it’s spiritual. What we need isn’t a return to macho pride or a retreat into passivity. We need to recover a Christ-centered masculinity: strong yet humble, bold yet gentle, servant-hearted and grounded in truth.

 

[ozso]

A real man is like Ron Swanson or Ron Burgundy. With a dash of Ace Ventura.

 

[MarkSB]

To be fair, I think both sides have missed the mark when it comes to masculinity. When traditional conservatism dominated culture, it often produced a version of manhood that was toxic, where anything not “macho” was seen as weak, where some men treated their wives more like property than partners, and where anyone who didn’t meet a certain standard of toughness was mocked or marginalized. Now, we’ve swung hard in the opposite direction. The result? A generation of men who are often unsure of their identity, hesitant to lead, and struggling to step into the role God designed for them, especially as spiritual leaders in their homes.
Both extremes have had their time in the spotlight, and both have failed. The issue isn’t political, it’s spiritual. What we need isn’t a return to macho pride or a retreat into passivity. We need to recover a Christ-centered masculinity: strong yet humble, bold yet gentle, servant-hearted and grounded in truth.

You had me until you got to the part about society now swinging in the opposite direction. Evangelical culture has been saying that for a long time (read as: decades), and I just don't see it. But I do agree with your second paragraph.

When people like Vance and Trump constantly try to parade their "masculinity" in front of everyone, all I see are some deeply insecure men, who try to pawn off being mean and crass as "masculine". It's a very bad look, IMO.

 

[iluvatar5150]

You had me until you got to the part about society now swinging in the opposite direction. Evangelical culture has been saying that for a long time (read as: decades), and I just don't see it. But I do agree with your second paragraph.

When people like Vance and Trump constantly try to parade their "masculinity" in front of everyone, all I see are some deeply insecure men, who try to pawn off being mean and crass as "masculine". It's a very bad look, IMO.

I’m skeptical that previous generations had any better sense of how to “lead” than folks today do. Older generations were just more open to using domineering and authoritarianism as crutches, whereas today’s generations consider that less acceptable and can no longer hide behind it. But I can look everywhere and see the bottom rungs of workers being held to high, measurable standards while management is rewarded for being feckless, fuzzy, disengaged from their reports, narcissistic, and excessively political. If previous generations of “leaders” hadn’t been so poor at their jobs, current generations would be better at theirs.