James White

[SoldierofChrist]

Sorry, I meant to document that quote, my bad.

 

[SoldierofChrist]

Honestly, nyj, I meant to document that, just like I documented the other quote, for some reason when I posted it I thought that it was under where I gave White the credit. I apologize.

 

[nyj]

Today at 11:31 AM SoldierofChrist said this in Post #42 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=708218#post708218)

Honestly, nyj, I meant to document that, just like I documented the other quote, for some reason when I posted it I thought that it was under where I gave White the credit. I apologize.

Hey, it's cool, don't worry about it. Trust me, in my time on the internet, especially when I first started debating against atheists, I *ahem* borrowed quite a bit from C.S. Lewis and didn't "exactly" give him credit for it. If I had to take a guess, you're relatively new to the apologetics side of the internet, and as such, you're filled with zeal to defend your position and your faith. It's admirable and it's a good thing to be on fire for the Lord. I won't knock you for that. Water under the bridge, ok?

PS: Sorry for the "Bill Clinton" comment too. That was a low blow. I should refrain from making that assertion, well... except when dealing with those liberal athiest-types.

 

[Hoonbaba]

Today at 11:27 AM nyj said this in Post #31



Hmmm, I guess my reply to the first one wasn't good enough eh?

Glad to see I wasted my time.

Hi NYJ,

I was referring to my latter quotes =P Sorry about the confusion =)

-Jason

 

[SoldierofChrist]

Hey, thanks I appreciate it. No hard feelings.

 

[Hoonbaba]

so can anyone address this post??

-Jason

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

But, doesn't that make you all anti-Protestant?

I am an anti-Protestant. I hate Protestantism. There, happy?

(I do not hate Protestants. My entire family is Protestant. I simply hate the ideas of Protestantism)

PS

James White seems to hate Catholics, not just Catholicism, which is evidenced by his disdain for his own sister after her conversion.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Today at 12:47 PM SoldierofChrist said this in Post #45 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=708269#post708269)

Hey, thanks I appreciate it. No hard feelings.

Are you ever going back to the original thread and admit that Augustine didnt deny the Eucharist as Catholics understand it?

 

[chelcb]

that's what i would like to know?

denying transubstantiation is one thing but denying the real presence is another.

 

[nyj]

Today at 12:18 PM Chris†opher Paul said this in Post #48 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=708354#post708354)

Are you ever going back to the original thread and admit that Augustine didnt deny the Eucharist as Catholics understand it?

CP,

SolderofChrist has already stated in that thread that Augustine holds to the doctrine of the Real Presence. Let us just leave it at that. Beating this issue any further is not going to resolve anything, agreed?

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Today at 01:27 PM nyj said this in Post #50 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=708387#post708387)



CP,

SolderofChrist has already stated in that thread that Augustine holds to the doctrine of the Real Presence. Let us just leave it at that. Beating this issue any further is not going to resolve anything, agreed?

His initial arrogant tone bothered me, I guess. But, I would like him to denounce the lies of James White about Augustine.

 

[nyj]

Today at 12:31 PM Chris†opher Paul said this in Post #51 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=708398#post708398)

His initial arrogant tone bothered me, I guess. But, I would like him to denounce the lies of James White about Augustine.

CP,

We've already addressed these issues on both this thread and the other one. Just let it drop, it'll do your blood pressure some good.

Offer up any trials you feel you have undergone unjustly for the souls in purgatory.

 

[Caedmon]

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

I bet Lorainne Boettner, Jack Chick, and James White wouldn't stay in Heaven when they discovered that it was Catholic.

 

[SoldierofChrist]

Humblejoe,

I don't understand the source of your anger, especially since you haven't even listened to the other side of the argument. I guess it doesn't matter how many times I apologize or express any form of remorse for what I said, you will ignore that and continue to try to win the argument just for the sake of winning it. Another thing, why don't you listen to James respond about his sister on his realaudio page: scroll down and look for February 16, 2002. Perhaps you should listen to the other side of the story before you jump into judgement of others.

To compare Jack Chick and others like him with James White is hardly fair. Even well-known Roman Catholic apologists don't even stoop that low.

 

[Hoonbaba]

Today at 01:23 PM chelcb said this in Post #49

that's what i would like to know?

denying transubstantiation is one thing but denying the real presence is another.

Is it possible to be a Catholic and deny transubstantiation while believing in the real presence?

Personally, I don't really care much about the philsophical aspect of transubstantiation, but I firmly agree with the real presence

(btw, I don't deny transubstantiation, this is just a hypothetical question).

-Jason

 

[chelcb]

Transubstantiation is the how it's done in a theroy but it is only a theroy. One can not explain it away because it is a mirical. Transubstantiation is not a dogma of the Church. One does not have to believe that transubstaniation is how it's done but one does have to believe that it is done.

 

[Caedmon]

 

[Hoonbaba]

Today at 10:17 PM humblejoe said this in Post #58
It's all the same genre: Anti-Catholicism.

But at least James White did MUCH better homework than them.  While I find myself drawn to the Catholic Church, I think it's essential that I seriously consider White's objections for my own edification.  Personally I see some problems with his style of debate and some of his claims, but he's definitely done his homework....well FAR better than Boettner and company.

-Jason

 

[SoldierofChrist]

Humblejoe,

The post I apologized in was post #40. Again, listen to James' side of the story. His sister seems to be the one separating herself, in fact, she even wrote him an anonymous e-mail without identifying herself. If you listen to the program on EWTN, all they call James (except maybe the beginning) is, "the sibling." Gee, that's not derogatory, apparently he doesn't even have a name according to them.

You mean the television performance that was broadcast on EWTN, a prominent Catholic television station? Well of course he's going to put on a pristine face. First he disowns his sister, then he comes on a Catholic television show to tell Catholics 'round America that everything is just peachy-keen, and that he doesn't really hate Catholicism or his disowned sister.

When did he appear on EWTN? I was referring to the radio program he did on Alpha and Omega ministries' website. Also, I want a quote from James saying he disowned his sister. You don't even bother to back up your statements which make everything you're posting questionable. I don't know where your source of info is, but you need to re-check it. Again, and I don't know how many times I have to say this, but, listen to the program on aomin.org's realaudio section for Feb 16, 2002.

Heck, maybe he is sincere to some point. But it's not what the general public, including myself, is going to believe. I'm sorry, but it's like Trent Lott. It doesn't matter how many interest groups you broadcast the "real you" to, people are still going to look through it. And that's not willful ignorance... it's human intuition.

No, that is truly willful ignorance and disdain for the truth. You're basically stating that it doesn't matter if what the other party says is true, if you don't like the sound of it, you won't even bother to look into it. Truly sad, it really is. What if Mrs. Bonds is the one separating herself from James? It doesn't matter if that were the truth, just because she said James was the one separating from her, it will be enough to satisfy you because she's Catholic, and James is not.