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[K2K]

The serpent sowed in Adams Garden just as he did in Cains field, and Josph after a dream wanders in one; but it is also where the pearl is found as well as being reflective of being careful how we hear, which is a buying (like in revelation) of the truth as well as selling it not ...

In the language of God this speaks to the same truth ...

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.

But it is an ever present truth to the individual that opens to us rather than a linear path we take. This is the path no foul knows of and no vultures eye has seen ...

Someone might tell a parable of saying to help get something across, but once the parable of saying is revealed, then staying in the symbolic language of the parable just brings confusion.

That is to say that Satan spoke to Adam and Cain, and indeed we all battle with the presence of evil! So we don't say that whoever opens/listens to us but to the Lord finds truthful answers.

To suggest otherwise or is just pride. And what then is the point of continuing to use the symbolism of parables already explained? It is not an attempt to sound religious is it? Our purpose is to help people turn to the Lord. If we use a parable to do that, great. But if we continue to use it to try and get people to turn to us instead of the Lord, then we need to consider the linear path we are taking. Is our path strait to the Lord or a strait down a religious path? Are we trying to turn people to us or to Him?

 

[Scott Husted]

Someone might tell a parable of saying to help get something across, but once the parable of saying is revealed, then staying in the symbolic language of the parable just brings confusion.

That is to say that Satan spoke to Adam and Cain, and indeed we all battle with the presence of evil! So we don't say that whoever opens/listens to us but to the Lord finds truthful answers.

To suggest otherwise or is just pride. And what then is the point of continuing to use the symbolism of parables already explained? It is not an attempt to sound religious is it? Our purpose is to help people turn to the Lord. If we use a parable to do that, great. But if we continue to use it to try and get people to turn to us instead of the Lord, then we need to consider the linear path we are taking. Is our path strait to the Lord or a strait down a religious path? Are we trying to turn people to us or to Him?

Symbolism has depths to/in them that cannot be conveyed outside of the one who receives it, like Paul's third heaven, or Jesus’ words to Peter, flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

The book of Revelation up til this day is a source of confusion for many who call themselves Christian, and for many who do not, though the meaning of its symbolism can be found throughout the Bible (and this not without price ... though the possession be redeemed).

This parable is seemingly very easily understood by anyone who reads it, believer and nonbeliever alike … Blessed is the man … whose delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. But the depths of this in relationship to the whole of scripture and the reality of this that unfolds/opens in us by its very nature is endless., but Solomon admonishes us to seek her as silver, and search for her as for hid treasures, that only then would we understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God, or Hosea … then shall we know if we follow on to know …

Deeper fellowship is for deeper understanding; deeper knowledge, through a deeper relationship with our father which Jesus coined as the definition of life eternal, which Jesus as the word gives to whoever he will …

Now when I talk to people who have no interest in the word I talk as one who has no interest though I be wise as a serpent when doing so, knowing when to plant, and when to water, and when to gather the harvest from what was planted.

 

[K2K]

Symbolism has depths to/in them that cannot be conveyed outside of the one who receives it, li

Symbolism is just a method to help explain something!

So once the something has been explained and understood, there is no reason to continue with the symbolism!!

For example: We might use symbolism to explain Jesus Christ to someone, but if they have gotten to know Him that reason for using symbolism is gone!

So why would two Christian persist in using symbolism?

Maybe they are trying to explain something else? Ok, that might be it.

Maybe they are trying to give communicate a symbolic way that the other Christian can use to talk to someone who does know the Lord? That might be a good idea.

Maybe they are giving a testimony about something interesting parable that the Lord told them? That might makes sense.

Still, there are another possibilities like they are trying to show off, which is just pride.

Or perhaps they are trying to be mysterious which is trying to hide something. That is call mysticism.

We are not trying to be mystical, we are trying to talk about Jesus Christ. To the non-believer, we are trying to tell them about Him. To the fellow believer we would be having fellowship. In either case we are trying to be clear. We are not trying to muddy up the waters, which is just a symbolic way of saying we are not trying to be mystical and mysterious.

"Muddying up the waters' was a phrase the Lord told me to represent making our message and communication unclear. He doesn't want that done. So symbolism is to be used to help make things clearer.

For example: When I worked in the Christian healing ministry we would use anointing oil. The anointing oil is just some basic olive oil we a few spices added. There is nothing mysterious or mystical about it, but it does have symbolism. We would explain this to the people, that there is nothing mystical or magical about the anointing oi. We just wanted to symbolize that fact that we were asking the Lord to move in and touch them. God is spirit, so this was spiritual but not mystical. The olive oil was symbolic but was used as an example to give understanding of what we were asking for them.

The problem comes when we forget this. And that problem does come. A religious spirit is a spirit that makes it about religion instead of about the Lord. And sadly, a study of the history of Christianity shows this problem abundantly. It is a sad sad history of relics, idol worship, pride of all types, and mysticism. All that instead of people just coming to know the Lord. We muddy up the waters with our religion and turned the message so that we are trying to turn people to us instead of Him!!

So we are not writing about an ever present truth to the individual who opens up to us! We are writing that Jesus Christ is the truth so they need to open up to Him!!

My friends - He stands at the door and knocks and if anyone hears His voice and opens the door He will come into them and eat with them. (Rev: 3:20) If that doesn't make it clear enough, then let me just add that the Lord wants to talk to people. All you have to do is to seek Him. God is spirit, so you pick up what He says in your spirit, which should come across in words spoken inside you. It might just come across as an impression at first, because most are not practiced at hearing His voice. So you are asking Jesus Christ and picking up an impression, that with practice will improve so that you are not dull of hearing with your spiritual ears. And that is the word of God we are preaching!

Let's be clear about it! We are not making disciples for us! We are not being mysterious and mystical. We are using symbolism to make things clear so there should be an explanation.

 

[Scott Husted]

Symbolism is just a method to help explain something!

So once the something has been explained and understood, there is no reason to continue with the symbolism!!

For example: We might use symbolism to explain Jesus Christ to someone, but if they have gotten to know Him that reason for using symbolism is gone!

So why would two Christian persist in using symbolism?

Maybe they are trying to explain something else? Ok, that might be it.

Maybe they are trying to give communicate a symbolic way that the other Christian can use to talk to someone who does know the Lord? That might be a good idea.

Maybe they are giving a testimony about something interesting parable that the Lord told them? That might makes sense.

Still, there are another possibilities like they are trying to show off, which is just pride.

Or perhaps they are trying to be mysterious which is trying to hide something. That is call mysticism.

We are not trying to be mystical, we are trying to talk about Jesus Christ. To the non-believer, we are trying to tell them about Him. To the fellow believer we would be having fellowship. In either case we are trying to be clear. We are not trying to muddy up the waters, which is just a symbolic way of saying we are not trying to be mystical and mysterious.

"Muddying up the waters' was a phrase the Lord told me to represent making our message and communication unclear. He doesn't want that done. So symbolism is to be used to help make things clearer.

For example: When I worked in the Christian healing ministry we would use anointing oil. The anointing oil is just some basic olive oil we a few spices added. There is nothing mysterious or mystical about it, but it does have symbolism. We would explain this to the people, that there is nothing mystical or magical about the anointing oi. We just wanted to symbolize that fact that we were asking the Lord to move in and touch them. God is spirit, so this was spiritual but not mystical. The olive oil was symbolic but was used as an example to give understanding of what we were asking for them.

The problem comes when we forget this. And that problem does come. A religious spirit is a spirit that makes it about religion instead of about the Lord. And sadly, a study of the history of Christianity shows this problem abundantly. It is a sad sad history of relics, idol worship, pride of all types, and mysticism. All that instead of people just coming to know the Lord. We muddy up the waters with our religion and turned the message so that we are trying to turn people to us instead of Him!!

So we are not writing about an ever present truth to the individual who opens up to us! We are writing that Jesus Christ is the truth so they need to open up to Him!!

My friends - He stands at the door and knocks and if anyone hears His voice and opens the door He will come into them and eat with them. (Rev: 3:20) If that doesn't make it clear enough, then let me just add that the Lord wants to talk to people. All you have to do is to seek Him. God is spirit, so you pick up what He says in your spirit, which should come across in words spoken inside you. It might just come across as an impression at first, because most are not practiced at hearing His voice. So you are asking Jesus Christ and picking up an impression, that with practice will improve so that you are not dull of hearing with your spiritual ears. And that is the word of God we are preaching!

Let's be clear about it! We are not making disciples for us! We are not being mysterious and mystical. We are using symbolism to make things clear so there should be an explanation.

Whatever measure you meet is what is measured back to you, like those who are forgiven little love little. which is directly relational to knowledge of the depth forgiveness goes, which at first starts out (like the kingdom of God) as a word; but how many words does it take describe one word.

Take for instance the name written in the white stone ... how deep does this truth go ... do you think just saying it's your nature is all there is to this in relationship to the one who gave it to you, and whom you were born of?

 

[K2K]

Whatever measure you meet is what is measured back to you, like those who are forgiven little love little. which is directly relational to knowledge of the depth forgiveness goes, which at first starts out (like the kingdom of God) as a word; but how many words does it take describe one word.

Take for instance the name written in the white stone ... how deep does this truth go ... do you think just saying it's your nature is all there is to this in relationship to the one who gave it to you, and whom you were born of?

Yes - consider:

Rev 3:19 ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

Jesus is the corner stone and reproves those He loves. He reproves me plenty of times. That has nothing to do with forgiveness. It has to do with hearing Him and letting Him into our lives. Note the very next verse for context.

Rev 3:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

Honestly Scott - I really like reading what you write. Yet that does not make what is write, right. We are not trying to get people to turn to us, but Him. We are not trying to put the face of God on Esau, because he was not the blessed one and incredibly is someone the Lord hated (Mal 1:3). Neither should we muddy up the waters.

As far as relationships, I have a friend in Jesus. I also have a wonderful marriage of many years. I have kids who I love and love me. I have some friends too, which is incredible to me because the Lord also gave me a business that I do from hone and takes a lot of time.

I would love to find someone on this forum who really does talk to and listen to the Lord a lot, but that person would know that we are not trying turn people to us but to Him. That is something that you figure out quickly if indeed a person listens to the voice of the Lord. He is just that incredible that a person who listens to Him like they should can not possible think others need to turn to them. Talking or writing to me can not compare to talking to Him!

We all make mistakes, including me, so I forgive them. I try to do it instantly. The Lord once gave me a teaching He called instant forgiveness. So I like people posting here, whether they realize it or not. For that reason I point them to Jesus Christ and try to get them to seek Him, even if it means reproof, because I did not come to just meet people but to talk about the Lord, and point those not actually hearing the Lord to Him. Then they too will know that He is the truth, so they won't write "how deep does this truth go' because He is not a 'this' but a 'who'. So do you know how deep the Truth (Jesus Christ) will go with you? To find out you need to listen to Him!!

 

[Scott Husted]

Yes - consider:

Rev 3:19 ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

Jesus is the corner stone and reproves those He loves. He reproves me plenty of times. That has nothing to do with forgiveness. It has to do with hearing Him and letting Him into our lives. Note the very next verse for context.

Rev 3:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

Honestly Scott - I really like reading what you write. Yet that does not make what is write, right. We are not trying to get people to turn to us, but Him. We are not trying to put the face of God on Esau, because he was not the blessed one and incredibly is someone the Lord hated (Mal 1:3). Neither should we muddy up the waters.

As far as relationships, I have a friend in Jesus. I also have a wonderful marriage of many years. I have kids who I love and love me. I have some friends too, which is incredible to me because the Lord also gave me a business that I do from hone and takes a lot of time.

I would love to find someone on this forum who really does talk to and listen to the Lord a lot, but that person would know that we are not trying turn people to us but to Him. That is something that you figure out quickly if indeed a person listens to the voice of the Lord. He is just that incredible that a person who listens to Him like they should can not possible think others need to turn to them. Talking or writing to me can not compare to talking to Him!

We all make mistakes, including me, so I forgive them. I try to do it instantly. The Lord once gave me a teaching He called instant forgiveness. So I like people posting here, whether they realize it or not. For that reason I point them to Jesus Christ and try to get them to seek Him, even if it means reproof, because I did not come to just meet people but to talk about the Lord, and point those not actually hearing the Lord to Him. Then they too will know that He is the truth, so they won't write "how deep does this truth go' because He is not a 'this' but a 'who'. So do you know how deep the Truth (Jesus Christ) will go with you? To find out you need to listen to Him!!

God’s not a cookie cutter, every son is unique, every beloved more than any other beloved, just as there is a river that the streams thereof make glad the city of God (the holy place, which is very important in the flow of scripture). Out of our belly’s flow these living waters; and also waters are drawn with joy out of these wells of salvation, but in saying all that we have no need that any man teach us just as Jesus had said, that no one else can lead you into all truth other than the spirit of truth which testifies of Him, whose truth came out of the Father, and who returned to the Father, to a glory that he had with Him before the world was where being in Him we are presently, in this truth of the glory of One.

Do we or I have to constantly say Jesus is the way and the truth and the life … isn’t this something that is foundational though it be an ever increasing truth to us … and in one form every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon … or a land that is our own …

Forgiveness is a way of life to me (and on one hand, you can’t love your enemies unless you have first forgiven them), just as to pray always has become to me, it is a way of walking life out to others through my actions as well as through my words, which has become to me a place where I no longer need to take thought to do, it is just who I am, it is the way I think. It is the place where my Father has brought me to.

If you feel like you need to chastise me over what you see as my failure to live up to your expectation, by all means do so, I won’t try to stop you nor will I say anything against you in regards to it, it’s just not in my nature.

I have found that God can show you more in a moment then all those who have ever lived can show you in a life time, and I have long ago (in relationship to the years of my life) lost track of how many moments like this I have had.

 

[K2K]

God’s not a cookie cutter, every son is unique, every beloved more than any other beloved, just as there is a river that the streams thereof make glad the city of God (the holy place, which is very important in the flow of scripture). Out of our belly’s flow these living waters; and also waters are drawn with joy out of these wells of salvation, but in saying all that we have no need that any man teach us just as Jesus had said, that no one else can lead you into all truth other than the spirit of truth which testifies of Him, whose truth came out of the Father, and who returned to the Father, to a glory that he had with Him before the world was where being in Him we are presently, in this truth of the glory of One.

Do we or I have to constantly say Jesus is the way and the truth and the life … isn’t this something that is foundational though it be an ever increasing truth to us … and in one form every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon … or a land that is our own …

Forgiveness is a way of life to me (and on one hand, you can’t love your enemies unless you have first forgiven them), just as to pray always has become to me, it is a way of walking life out to others through my actions as well as through my words, which has become to me a place where I no longer need to take thought to do, it is just who I am, it is the way I think. It is the place where my Father has brought me to.

If you feel like you need to chastise me over what you see as my failure to live up to your expectation, by all means do so, I won’t try to stop you nor will I say anything against you in regards to it, it’s just not in my nature.

I have found that God can show you more in a moment then all those who have ever lived can show you in a life time, and I have long ago (in relationship to the years of my life) lost track of how many moments like this I have had.

Of course people are different, but that doesn't mean we have everything right. So what does explaining that we are all created differently have to do with writing reproof?

And we don't have to go around saying Jesus is the way, truth, and life, but what of someone going around saying that something else is the way, truth, and life? Doesn't that need reproof?

God might be able to show a person more in a moment than all those who have ever lived can show you in a life time, but not every spirit is the Holy Spirit. It is He written He guides our steps, guides us out with His voice, and teaches us - so does that sound like a moment of God teaching us or a life of God teaching us, and that with His voice?

Again, I like reading what your write Scott. It gets me thinking. But how did you come up with certain things? Who told you that we need put the face of God on Esau, the one God hated? Having ears to hear does not mean everything we hear is from God, does it? I am not trying to chastise you but I am trying to get you to think, and specifically about where you are getting some of the information

Satan would love to put the face of God on himself, and he is the one who our loving Lord Jesus Christ hates. That is not meant to chastise you, but to advise you, and not you only. This is a public form, and we all battle with the dark forces of this world, no matter how He made us.

Saying that has nothing to do with forgiveness but reproof.

Prov 9:8 Do not reprove a scoffer or he will hate you, Reprove a wise man and he will love you.

I count those who write on this forum as my friends. They offer reproof which I consider, take to the Lord, and become wiser still. So this forum can be of great use to me personally. So what have I said against you? Wasn't it actually reproof against what you wrote?

Prov 9:9 Give instruction to a wise man and he will be still wiser, Teach a righteous man and he will increase his learning.

So if I tell someone that it is not God who says to put His face on Easu, and not God who wants to be unclear, and not God who says we point people to ourselves instead of pointing people to Him; Am I not trying to give instruction to a wise man so that he will be wiser still? I thought I was giving good advice to a wise man, but maybe I was wrong?

Anyway Scott - I liked reading what you write even if I disagree strongly with certain things.

 

[Noxot]

Eat My Flesh and drink my blood sounded weird to some but then we had an understanding of it that didn't offend us or make us confused and so we accept it now. There is much in the word that is Darkness to me and I do not understand most of what nature is saying either, but this ignorance is fine too, as long as I can be ignorant near to God.

Rejecting something or accepting it can both be correct, it just depends what's going on inside of you. But it is a bit painful to not be on the same page, to not understand and then go a different way. To go after someone because of zeal, which is hard to always be the master of. sometimes I get in a rut and I'll keep trying to make a certain point that's true but because of the nature of Truth I was also missing out on the other good parts. Sometimes my spider senses are unjust and overactive. I don't want to be Jagged rocks, the feeling doesn't feel good.

I will give my enemies the benefit of the doubt if only to shut the evil voices up, plus god told me to and so it had much value. The unique pure voice of love is always desired. My detractors try to take me away from God and I often let them, to my own folly. But god was there to comfort me that time. Other times God will let me act out my stupidity. Eventually I'll choke on my own vomit and stop, theoretically. But there's not that much violence going on here really.

I know I'm imperfect but I have to try to do what I can. Not everything is good for everyone. There are some things I could say that are of no benefit for others. But at the same time I cannot just not say something just because someone may not like it or not see it how I see it. I could try to explain myself better but there is no guarantee that they will see what I see.

 

[K2K]

Eat My Flesh and drink my blood sounded weird to some but then we had an understanding of it that didn't offend us or make us confused and so we accept it now. There is much in the word that is Darkness to me and I do not understand most of what nature is saying either, but this ignorance is fine too, as long as I can be ignorant near to God.

Rejecting something or accepting it can both be correct, it just depends what's going on inside of you. But it is a bit painful to not be on the same page, to not understand and then go a different way. To go after someone because of zeal, which is hard to always be the master of. sometimes I get in a rut and I'll keep trying to make a certain point that's true but because of the nature of Truth I was also missing out on the other good parts. Sometimes my spider senses are unjust and overactive. I don't want to be Jagged rocks, the feeling doesn't feel good.

I will give my enemies the benefit of the doubt if only to shut the evil voices up, plus god told me to and so it had much value. The unique pure voice of love is always desired. My detractors try to take me away from God and I often let them, to my own folly. But god was there to comfort me that time. Other times God will let me act out my stupidity. Eventually I'll choke on my own vomit and stop, theoretically. But there's not that much violence going on here really.

I know I'm imperfect but I have to try to do what I can. Not everything is good for everyone. There are some things I could say that are of no benefit for others. But at the same time I cannot just not say something just because someone may not like it or not see it how I see it. I could try to explain myself better but there is no guarantee that they will see what I see.

Nice post - I really like it - very insightful.

 

[icxn]

There is an iguana that can eat the fruit of the "little apple of death" also known as the manchineel tree. If you eat it you will either die or wish you were dead. if you shelter under this tree when it rains and the rain drips on you, you will be burnt by the tree. If you lean your back upon it, it will burn you. But still humans like to use the wood because it's a pretty good kind of wood to use.

Pride, the noetic manchineel tree, when exposed to the light and dries, i.e. confessed, it looses its toxicity and can be a source of great humility, which is a pretty good kind of wood.

 

[Scott Husted]

Eat My Flesh and drink my blood sounded weird to some but then we had an understanding of it that didn't offend us or make us confused and so we accept it now. There is much in the word that is Darkness to me and I do not understand most of what nature is saying either, but this ignorance is fine too, as long as I can be ignorant near to God.

Rejecting something or accepting it can both be correct, it just depends what's going on inside of you. But it is a bit painful to not be on the same page, to not understand and then go a different way. To go after someone because of zeal, which is hard to always be the master of. sometimes I get in a rut and I'll keep trying to make a certain point that's true but because of the nature of Truth I was also missing out on the other good parts. Sometimes my spider senses are unjust and overactive. I don't want to be Jagged rocks, the feeling doesn't feel good.

I will give my enemies the benefit of the doubt if only to shut the evil voices up, plus god told me to and so it had much value. The unique pure voice of love is always desired. My detractors try to take me away from God and I often let them, to my own folly. But god was there to comfort me that time. Other times God will let me act out my stupidity. Eventually I'll choke on my own vomit and stop, theoretically. But there's not that much violence going on here really.

I know I'm imperfect but I have to try to do what I can. Not everything is good for everyone. There are some things I could say that are of no benefit for others. But at the same time I cannot just not say something just because someone may not like it or not see it how I see it. I could try to explain myself better but there is no guarantee that they will see what I see.

How a word can so easily confound us ...

 

[Scott Husted]

How we receive things has everything to do with what we receive out of those things.

What Israel saw in the face of Esau is what Joseph saw in what his brothers had done to him.