I've lost it....

[Christiangamer]

Read only if you are absolutely secure in your faith and this has no spiritual effect on you. I dont need to blamed of being a satanist.

I've lost it. Nearly all of it, yet a small scrap remains.

I'm talking about my faith. It slowly leaves me day by day? Why? I dont know. I can't help it. But what i can say is i believe in God, and I believe if anyone is savior, it is Christ. But I've lost everything else. I'll say it right now. I HATE THE BIBLE. You say it is good news and the christ was born to save. Not to me anyways. It's 2,000 ways to get you to hell, and 1 way to heaven. And I'll tell you what, its impossible. I've been told in order to believe some of it, you must believe it all. No one can seriously believe everything from a book written over 5,000 years by men that could have easily been racists, homophobes, psychos, drunks, crooks. The stories could have been so easily fabricated. I fefuse to take it true. Why? because heaven must be a pretty lonely place. After all, everyone born before christ is in hell. All ancient civilizations during that time were condemned, wether they evolved or not. Thats another thing. We're suppose to deny any discoveries and theories of science that may contradict what the Bible says. I lie awake at night crying because people suffer everynight, then to probably go to hell and suffer more when they die, because they didnt have jesus. Bull poo! Why would God do this to us? He had to have known it would happen eventually. He had to know we'd screw up. It's partially his fault we sinned in the first place. He made us able to! He gives us rules that wether we follow them or not doesnt hurt anybody. Like gays. Sure it aint natural, but can they help it? Oh wait, I'm a christian so i have to assume that they made an evil rebelious decision. Know what else is stupid? In leviticus i think, it says something about it being a sin to were clothing of two different materials. Why the heck would God care? Know what else ticks me off? Magic rules. First Off, i dont believe in the real "Magick." But you people do because they had to make a rule about it in the bible. Why would God even give us the ability to do stuff like that? Why would he make us able to summon lightning bolts from the sky to strike our foes. Why does life have to be this way? He had to make it so ****ing difficult. Why? Things are bad because HE made them bad. Why would he care wether we worshipped him or not? HE'S GOD! He's the head honcho. It's not like you can hurt His pride. If i could i woulda died years ago just so i could go to heaven. Now i dont even know if want to anymore. Not with a God who hates his people. All I can say to Jesus is, "we were friends, till I got to know you." So here i am. I guess that jerk from GW forums was right. I'm agnostic. And tho it hurts me, I'd be more hurting as a hypocrite christian.
All i can do is hope that God will forgive me in the end. But I bet the bible says he wont unless I repent.
Goodbye...I'm sorry if i offended you. You were warned. But somebody help me please if you can. Dont send me a bunch of flames. but please feel welcome to PM me if you can help me or give me some sympathy.

 

[desi]

Read only if you are absolutely secure in your faith and this has no spiritual effect on you. I dont need to blamed of being a satanist.

here we go

I've lost it. Nearly all of it, yet a small scrap remains.

all is not lost

I'm talking about my faith. It slowly leaves me day by day? Why? I dont know. I can't help it. But what i can say is i believe in God, and I believe if anyone is savior, it is Christ.

a good foundation

But I've lost everything else. I'll say it right now. I HATE THE BIBLE. You say it is good news and the christ was born to save. Not to me anyways. It's 2,000 ways to get you to hell, and 1 way to heaven.

the one way into heaven supercedes the other 2, 000 reasons to hell! we don't have to be perfect we have to try

And I'll tell you what, its impossible.

above

I've been told in order to believe some of it, you must believe it all.

no you don't but it helps

No one can seriously believe everything from a book written over 5,000 years by men that could have easily been racists, homophobes, psychos, drunks, crooks.

we can if the truths it contains are valid

The stories could have been so easily fabricated. I fefuse to take it true. Why? because heaven must be a pretty lonely place. After all, everyone born before christ is in hell.

not necessarily there is talk they were in a holding place called purgatory until Christ died at which point they went to heaven

All ancient civilizations during that time were condemned, wether they evolved or not. Thats another thing. We're suppose to deny any discoveries and theories of science that may contradict what the Bible says.

that is nonsense science is how God made things work studying it brings us closer to God's methods

I lie awake at night crying because people suffer everynight, then to probably go to hell and suffer more when they die, because they didnt have jesus. Bull poo! Why would God do this to us? He had to have known it would happen eventually. He had to know we'd screw up. It's partially his fault we sinned in the first place. He made us able to! He gives us rules that wether we follow them or not doesnt hurt anybody. Like gays. Sure it aint natural, but can they help it?

we will be judged for what we believe and what we do Jesus alone holds our eternal judgement don't you trust him to do the right thing?

Oh wait, I'm a christian so i have to assume that they made an evil rebelious decision. Know what else is stupid? In leviticus i think, it says something about it being a sin to were clothing of two different materials. Why the heck would God care? Know what else ticks me off? Magic rules. First Off, i dont believe in the real "Magick." But you people do because they had to make a rule about it in the bible. Why would God even give us the ability to do stuff like that? Why would he make us able to summon lightning bolts from the sky to strike our foes. Why does life have to be this way? He had to make it so ****ing difficult. Why? Things are bad because HE made them bad. Why would he care wether we worshipped him or not? HE'S GOD! He's the head honcho. It's not like you can hurt His pride. If i could i woulda died years ago just so i could go to heaven. Now i dont even know if want to anymore. Not with a God who hates his people. All I can say to Jesus is, "we were friends, till I got to know you."

God made it hard until Jesus came and took the rules away in favor of one rule, "love thy neighbor as thyself." that's it, all you'll ever need to do

So here i am. I guess that jerk from GW forums was right.

GW?

I'm agnostic. And tho it hurts me, I'd be more hurting as a hypocrite christian.
All i can do is hope that God will forgive me in the end. But I bet the bible says he wont unless I repent.

it might, i'm not sure

Goodbye...I'm sorry if i offended you. You were warned. But somebody help me please if you can. Dont send me a bunch of flames. but please feel welcome to PM me if you can help me or give me some sympathy.

if you read what Jesus said instead of the old mosaic law you may find your heart lifted instead of dropped into despair

 

[wister]

In my own struggles and ruminations, I've come to think of it this way: the strength of the arguments against Christianity comes not from the arguments themselves, but rather from the ever-shifting nature of those arguments and the human heart's willingness (and even desire) to go with them.

I realize the purpose of your post was to vent and not explore one issue at length; thus, you shift from item to item rather rapidly. But each one of these concerns, when viewed systematically and with due consideration, present little convincing challenge to the central claims of Jesus. We could do that for each one here (and perhaps another poster will have time to do this), but I'd like to suggest two other ways you might want to think about this:

1. First, by beginning your considerations of Christianity with Jesus. Since Jesus is the "author and perfecter" of the Christian faith, it might be wise to reconsider his life and teachings.

You note that you liked Jesus until you got to know him. But take each of your worries and objections and stack it against the words and example of Christ. Does Jesus state any dress requirements for us (such as what cloth to use)? Does Jesus call us to make assumptions about other people's hearts -- whether they are in one sexual sin or another? Etc.

In other words, you need to make sure you (a) don't confuse the law with the gospel and (b) make sure you really understand who Jesus is and what he came to do. We are expressly forbidden to judge others' hearts. We are expressly freed from the legal requirements of the Judaic Law. These concerns develop when we look to others or to a warped understanding of Christianity to reason with.

2. Second, by taking each of your concerns and following through with them for a minute to see if they actually *prove* any conclusion you suspect they might.

You mention, for example, that "No one can seriously believe everything from a book written over 5,000 years by men that could have easily been racists, homophobes, psychos, drunks, crooks. The stories could have been so easily fabricated."

Actually, many people do *seriously* believe this book. I'm one of them

But let's look at what this speculates and suggests: the Bible was written a long time ago; they authors themselves may have held reprehensible views or been reprehensible for all we know; therefore the stories could be fabricated.

It's a possible argument, but not a very convincing one. A drunk man or a psycho choosing to write a story about a man who taught others to "turn the other cheek" and who healed the sick and blind! Now, that would be quite an odd occurrence! The leap from A to B is larger than most leaps of faith, is it not?!

But let's stay with it a while. What *if* the authors of the Bible were reprehensible in some way? Would *that* make the Bible untrue?

Here's where I'll do you one better: not only *could* some of the authors been sinners, they *all* were! Paul, the author of most of the New Testament, was formerly a murderer. Moses, too, killed a man. Those are some sins we know about. Were the authors of the Bible bad? Yep, just like *all* humans outside of Christ. Does this mean that they were drunks, psychos, etc? Of course not - that's another logical leap. But they were sinners, and that is *not* -- I can't emphasize it enough, NOT - a cute little word that means mildly bad, or sorta bad, or just not always perfect. They, like we are today, were sinners, through and through. Which is exactly why Christ came to redeem them and use them for his service.

But back to the main point. Does their sinfulness, their very imperfection, (a sinfulness and imperfection we don't have to speculate about but know for certain since they admit it and since the Scriptures themselves teach that all are unrighteous) -- does all that prove the Bible's stories are fabricated? Of course not! The unworthiness of each author of the Bible is actually central to the Bible's central story. Paul said that Christ came to save sinners of which I am the worst.

So taken on its own terms, the Bible claims that its authors are imperfect vessels redeemed by Christ.

The point is this: an objection might sound convincing at first, but scrutinize it carefully. This one I've taken from your email and used here begins with an unprovable premise to support a conclusion that doesn't necessarily even follow from that premise (even if we could prove it true). Multiple shifting objections may seem overwhelmingly convincing when you're sorting through issues of faith (or politics, or anything else for that matter). But if each one on its own is flimsy, so is the overall argument being made, right?

I hope this helps you as you think through these issues. I found C.S. Lewis' book Mere Christianity helpful in thinking through these sorts of things with more logical rigor - something to consider if you still are reflecting on such issues.

 

[drdeancrosby]

I don't believe alot of the old testament. either.It depresses me.I don't want to get involved with all the legalistic trivia in the old testament.So here's your solution - stop reading it.Jesus was sent to earth by God to rid Judism of legalism.His work shows in the new testanent.It's unfair to call the writers of the old testament the slanderouss names you did.They were very holy,just very legalistic and rule fixated in their mindset.
Your comment about everyone born before Jesus going to hell is a very logical conclusion but only if you believe the false teaching of most churches.Here is what the Book of Revelation explains - at the end of Jesus' kingdom on earth,He will schedule what is called the judgement.It will result in all unsaved individuals being put on trial Most importantly those who have led basically moral lives and are willing to accept Jesus as their savior before their trial ends will receive salvation.So those who have never even heard of Jesus' name can receive eternal life.Sorry your minister never explained that.Very few do.
Yep I agree,God is a hard taskmaster.Why wouldn't you expect the creator of the universe to have strict rules of conduct?Most sin can be avoided through discipline,including homosexuality,and the sin that isn't avoided can be forgiven through repentence.
I don't know what you're talking about when you mention magic rules and lightening bolts.Just stay in the new testament and keep your mind at ease.I'd get upset about lightening bolts too but I stay away from that stuff.
God is very concerned about us worshiping Him alone instead of the gods of sex,money and hate/war which most Americans worship because He wants people in heaven He can trust and give responsibilty to.It's very logical really.Loyality is something that all employers require.Why shouldn't God?
Finally let me assure you I wasn't offended by your message(I agree with alot of your complaints) but I can assure you that God and Jesus are deeply offended because you made hateful and untrue statements about them.So yes,you do need to ask for their forgiveness.
What else can you do?Start by reading the Book of James.You'll find it very refreshing after all those lightening bolts.You're not ready for church now so I'd just spend several months of prayer and new testament reading.What should you pray about?I don't want to give you much choice on this one.Why don't you just keep asking Jesus to reveal Himself to you.That will tax His imagination trying to figure out how He can come and restore your faith,but He will do it,if you keep sincerely asking for His help.
Ok now here's the most important thing you to realize.Your spiritual condition is due to false and misleading church teachings.THAT IS NOT GOD'S FAULT!Jesus consistently showed open contempt toward the clergy.So put blame where it's due.You're the victim of a very poor Christian education.In a few months when your anger toward God is gone,look for a church that has the Holy Spirit present at all services,and an active youth group you can join.You then can start to rebuild your spiritual life wthout any of those lightening bolts.

 

[tj179]

{Quote} "No one can seriously believe everything from a book written over 5,000 years by men that could have easily been racists, homophobes, psychos, drunks, crooks. The stories could have been so easily fabricated."


Hundreds and even thousands of years before Jesus ths Messiah was born in Bethlehem, God had spoken many prophecies about his coming. He spoke them through men like Moses,David,Isiah, and Micah. In order for Jesus to be the true Messiah, He had to fulfill every prophecy that was ever written and spoken.... AND HE DID. Every single one!
Here are just a few:
He would be born of a virgin, Isaiah 7;14 And He was. Matt 1;18-25
He wold be born in Bethlehem, Micah5;2 And He was. Matt2;1-6
He would be taken into Egypt, Hosea11;1 And He was. Matt 2;15
He would heal the sick and make people whole, Isaiah5;3 And He did. Matt 8
He would be crucified, Psalm22;14-17, And He was. Matt 27;31
He would die for our sins, Isaiah 53, And He did. John 1;29- John 11;49-52
He would be raised from the dead, Psalm 16;10 And He was. Matt 28;1-10

The many prophecies about Jesus second coming have not yet be fulfilled, But they will be. Every single one.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending saith the Lord. Rev 1;8

I will be praying that the Word would become clear to you as the Word is the truth the life and the only way.
May God bless you,
TJ

 

[jessiegirl]

Chritiangamer...

I am a fairly new Christain. So my opinion is not one based on a lot of knowledge of the bible. But I really don't see where your questioning and doubting is such a bad thing.
Even some of Jesus's own disciples doubted and had concerns. Peter denied Christ.

Those that think so deeply, like you can sometimes turn out to be some of the best Christians.

I see so many "Christians" that go to church every Sunday. They swear they are Christians..they pay their tithing. But when it comes to real life, they don't re-act in a Christian way. They talk the talk, but they don't walk the walk.

I'm not sure every Christian believes the same. I think we all have a different way of believing.

I know I used to become mad..frustrated and all those other things when I first began my journey. But I prayed and prayed and prayed. And I believe I have a very good relationship with God and Jesus. I have prayed and received many blessings.

I would suggest you pray. I don't think you are all that lost.

jessiegirl

 

[Christiangamer]

But you dont understand. Some people don't want to walk the walk. Thats why I'm saying I'm agnostic, not a follower of christ. I like being a rebel, partying and drinking, looking at girls (sorry ladies), violent videogames, rock music. I can't help I dont want to. God made things illegal, now if a person sins and isn't and never becomes a christian, away to hell they go. Even tho they may have had a good heart. I dont want to worry anymore about whats right or wrong, if its against the law ill probably pay for it enough on earth. I liked the idea of purgatory until i was told so many times that there isnt. Eternal suffering and punishment for being a skeptic, or loving life the way you were/are? Why? It's not fair. BTW, don't give me the one saying it wasnt fair for christ to die, but he did. Great people could be getting murdered everyday without second chances. I just can't believe in this. I want to, but then again i dont
goodbye.

 

[Deamiter]

Well, you've obviously heard the truth. So why do you assume that your actions and even your impulses make it impossible for you to be a Christian? I have Christian friends who do drugs, and I have Christian friends who have sex. If you're talking to God, and you're still willing to listen, you can be called a Christian. It's as unbiblical to say that you must follow all of God's rules to make it into heaven as to say that you only need to know who God is to make it. But to say that you've lost your faith simply because you choose sin in your life isn't necessary.

You're welcome to deny God. That's a choice He has given us since the beginning of the earth. People go to hell because when they die, they look God in the face and say they refuse to give control to Him. You can keep control 100%, or you can give as much as you are able. God will work with you - NOT force you to follow his laws, but perhaps prod you to WANT to follow His laws.

 

[Bookman]

Face it, Christiangamer, you're drawn to God and you know it! Give up now, because His passionate love for you will continue to make you miserable until you acknowledge His call on your life.

As for your activities, just remember that we often go into such activities trying to escape God. You won't be sent to hell because of the things you mention. The only ones who go to Hell are the ones who reject Christ, and although you may be leaning that way now, I don't think you will reject Him much longer.

The most joyous thing in the world is to be a Christian. Really! And eventually you'll discover that all those things you're into so deeply right now are like mirages in the desert--they promise refreshment, but you come up from them with a mouth full of sand.

I believe you'll make the right choice in due time.

 

[KGirl]

"If you stand for nothing you'll fall for anything." If you're not Christian (or aren't on the right track if Christian), it can be alot harder to be a "good person". The devil may be using a non-Christian in a way to make things worse with their lives and others affected by them even if they are "good people". You are more easily influenced by the devil.. Yes, you have your own opinions, but without God's help, how can you be fully against the devil's ways?

Also, as there is one way to Heaven, there is only about 2 ways out. The first one is simply not accepting Him, and I believe the second is blastphemy.

I can see where one would get frusterated with God. That's where we try to focus on the fact that He loves us and wants us to know Him. Yes, I think it's a really harsh penalty to have to go to Hell. All I know is, after knowing Him and trusting His will without question and feeling His love and recieving His blessings and knowing that He tries to make my life better for Him because I follow Him I wouldn't be able to just stop following Him. The thing about His will is mostly you must totally trust Him before seeing His works really work in your life. At least I think so.. I could be wrong.

Here's how I see it. He created us, and is giving us a chance to have joy, love, and true happiness, and bliss for eternity. He came to the world and died for us. What is He asking in return? What we accept His love and follow the guidelines He's set that will make our life complete and what it needs to be. Harsh request?

I was also gonna say.. You do seem to be drawn to God, and finding Him. You came to a conclusion that you don't like, but it bothers you alot.

 

[wister]

You *want* to sin??

You have *doubts* about faith??

Congratulations: you're human. Read Romans 7. Paul struggled with his old nature. Everyone in the Bible and in the history of Christianity deals with doubt and questions. That's life.

And the doctrine of hell is one that can be challenging for Christians - I've had my own bouts with the questions it raises.

But here's the important thing: these are serious and important questions. To follow Christ or not to follow him -- that's central. Nothing is more important.

So be sure you prayerfully consider your steps. And think through things well. Otherwise, the appeal of temporary things might very well distract you.

You mention that you don't want to worry any more about what's right or wrong. Hate to break it to you, but you can't get away from that question! (whether you accept Christianity or not)

Take a look at your last post. After saying that you don't want to worry about right or wrong, you say the idea of hell is "not fair". Well, that's a question of right and wrong, isn't it?

Part of your questioning about hell is that it doesn't seem "fair" or "right" to you. Where did you get that sense of "fair"? Why do you believe something should be fair? Here's the answer, I think: because objectively there *is* a standard of right and wrong set up that is outside of ourselves.

Christians believe that that standard is set by God. You can choose to ignore it, but you can't escape it. (And as a side note, whatever other belief system -- even if is "none" or has no label -- requires you to contemplate right and wrong; ethics is just a part of life).

Lastly, you misunderstand Christianity if you think God sends "good" people to hell. The central idea here is that none of us are *holy* (even though we can, by human standards, be "good"). As such, we need a redeemer.

You're assuming that we deserve access to God, that we should go to heaven, that we are entitled to be in God's presence. But we're not. And we can't earn it. And so we begin separated from God and remain there if we resist His proclamation of salvation.

Simple and beautiful really.

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

Dear Christian Gamer,

The good news is, the problem can be fixed. Every Christian goes through struggles with faith, especially in the beginning and while they are young. We can sort through these; there are so many answers to these things. It's getting very late here so I can't go into depth tonight, but we can sort this out. And no-it isn't true that everyone before Christ is in hell, because He died for everyon'e sins. Those old testament sacrifices were given as an act of faith that the coming Savior would indeed come and rescue them from their sins.

You're in a time of spiritual warfare, and satans been whicpering a lot of things in your ear that aren't true. Sorting these questions out is a normal part of Christian development. You'll get good answers here-I can promise you that. Stick around-we'll get to the bottom of all those questions you asked. Every Christian goes through a period like the one you're going through. God knows your doubts and fears, and He is both patient and faithful.

And if you'd like to talk more in depth, you're welcome to pm me anytime. I'd be pleased to help.

 

[chilehed]

Tough questions, christiangamer.

One thing that helped me through this was an idea I picked up when I started recovering from my drug addiction, which is that my drug use, although a problem in and of itself, was a really symptom of something deeper. Once I began to address that something, the drug use, and a lot of other stuff, became easier to kick.

In the same way, as there’s only one way into heaven, there’s also only one way into hell. The way to heaven is to have a relationship with Jesus, and the way to hell is to reject that relationship. All of the other stuff is a consequence of that one choice, and the choice you make dictates whether your joy in life increases or decreases as time goes by.

Not to confuse “joy” with having an easy time of it. You have an attachment to certain sins? – join the club. Lots of stuff I’m inclined to do ain’t natural, but the fact that I feel these inclinations in my bones doesn’t mean it’s not my responsibility to resist. Birds fly across the sky, but I don’t have to let them make nests in my head.

Another thing that helps me is to focus on Jesus. I know that above all He is a loving, merciful and wise God, and if things seem all wrong to me it’s only because my understanding limited or flat-out wrong. Everyone born before Christ is in hell? No one who never heard the gospel can get into heaven? No such thing as purgatory? Oh, my heavens, none of this is true.

It seems to me that you face the same decision we all do. We all have our pet sins, the ones we don’t want to let go of. But are you willing to let God form you into someone who will be willing to let them go in the future? Even that small willingness is one of the mustard seeds our Lord works with.

Fight the good fight, my brother. It's in your weakness that you'll find out how powerful God is.

www.catholic.com

 

[Wolflily]

I like being a rebel, partying and drinking, looking at girls (sorry ladies), violent videogames, rock music. I can't help I dont want to. God made things illegal, now if a person sins and isn't and never becomes a christian, away to hell they go. Even tho they may have had a good heart. QUOTE]


I'm sorry I don't have time to get into more right now, but I'd like to point out two things to think about:

First of all, you've admitted you like sin. You can't have both - you've got to choose between God and self/the ways of this world. Also, the Bible says that a man's heart is full of evil - we aren't born with GOOD hearts. We are born sinful creatures and our hearts are capable of great evil, as well as capable of great good. The good comes from the influence of the Holy Spirit. We can't begin to please God without Christ's sanctifying gift of Grace. He says even our best deeds are but filthy rags apart from Christ - because we can't earn our way to heaven. Only Jesus can provide the payment for sin that satisfies God's holiness and righteousness. That's the way it is. He provided a way out of sin and death, but we have to accept the gift. If we don't choose God now, then we don't stay with Him for eternity. How can you expect that if people choose to enjoy a life of separation from God that He would welcome those people into His Holy Presence for all eternity? Is that logical? No, when you realize that God wants us to love Him in return for His love, and when we choose our own ways and sin and the ways of this world over Him, we basically say that we don't love Him.

 

[TheOriginalWhitehorse]

But you dont understand. Some people don't want to walk the walk. Thats why I'm saying I'm agnostic, not a follower of christ. I like being a rebel, partying and drinking, looking at girls (sorry ladies), violent videogames, rock music. I can't help I dont want to. God made things illegal, now if a person sins and isn't and never becomes a christian, away to hell they go. Even tho they may have had a good heart. I dont want to worry anymore about whats right or wrong, if its against the law ill probably pay for it enough on earth. I liked the idea of purgatory until i was told so many times that there isnt. Eternal suffering and punishment for being a skeptic, or loving life the way you were/are? Why? It's not fair. BTW, don't give me the one saying it wasnt fair for christ to die, but he did. Great people could be getting murdered everyday without second chances. I just can't believe in this. I want to, but then again i dont
goodbye.

My friend. stick around. It's time to detoxify your soul, and it can be done. But don't go the way you're headed. It will only lead to your ruin. Running after sinful things can only lead to your ruin.

But what about the desires, you may be thinking. Sin feels good. Well, it only feels good for a brief time. It's like a can of frosting. It may taste sweet, but it will do your body no favors and in the end you'll gag on it. Steak and spinach may not have the same instant zing, but it will make you healthy and strong. And you'll develop a taste for healthy foods after you eat them for a while. Same with spiritual food.

But about how to fix those desires. You can, you know. You *can* desire the right things. It is said that we covet what we see every day. Well, what if you locked yourself in your room with the Bible and very ebcouraging, very sweet reading about the Lord, and that's all you looked at? That's what you would want. Your struggle tells me you're probably exposing yourself to sinful people. THis is why God's word says not to do that. It will ensnare your soul.

But then, you can even now, lock yourself in your room with a Bible and some good scriptural reading. Something comforting and inviting. At first, everything in you may fight against it. But if you actually did it for a week or two, then you would start feeling the sweetness of God's fellowship. You will start to want those things. You'll remember the sweetness of the times you spent with God. You'll discover hope and you'll feel a lot better inside. The fear-gone. The guilt-gone. The struggle-gone.

But if you choose sin, it won't do you any good to say God is a monster, it's really His fault, or He doesn't exist. He will prove you wrong in the end, maybe after the door is shut and it's too late to repent. The wages of sin is death. Don't go there, friend. Just don't do it. Nothing you crave is worth it.

Instead of trying to get rid of God, which is a losing battle that will cost you your very soul, get rid of the cravings. It can be done. Stay in contact with mature Christians. You have to stay connected. I'll fast for you if you wish. But don't go where you are headed. If you try to stop believing, it won't change the truth about who God is. Stick around.

 

[Vollkommen Warrior]

The first post is a form of depression talking. Be comforted in the fact that nothing you can think or say will ever change God, only your perception of God. You most likely have a fear of losing faith and have had obsessive thoughts over it. It could be any subject.. WMD's, cars, peanut butter.. not just God.

 

[Christiangamer]

Sigh....You dont get it.

You give me all these things that the bible says. That aint helpin. I hate the bible...sure its full of good advice but for the most part it sucks. You people keep saying its "word of GOD" No, it's not. It's words man has put in God's mouth. We have no real solid unquestionable proof of its validity. And personally, if there is, i dont want to know.

Plus you all misunderstood me when I said i like to sin. You make it seem like I'm A wild child when I'm not. Sure I drink and party, occasionally. But that doesnt mean its the most important thing in my life. I work hard and go to school and make honor roll. I participate in 4-H and even go to church, sorta regularly. If i make a mistake, im prepared to face the worldly consequences, and will learn from my mistakes.

Whats this **** about satan whispering in my ear. OMGosh, thats so lame and corny. There are lots of hethans in this world that live good lives, successful and happy. Just because of there beliefs and skepticism they must go to Hell? Bull. What about pagan religions like Hindu, and Wicca, ( which is just a revival of the ancient celtic religion). They have people that live Good decent lives, happily and loving. They care for the world around them, watch out for one another, try to live whats they think is right. Is THAT evil? Yet they burn in hell? Then God's a jerk

I'm not going to be part of religion anymore that pretty much hates everything about the world around them, judges everyone, thinks with there bibles instead of there brains, (President Bush...for example) and try to force there livestyle upon everyone else in order to "SAVE" them, judging things as "christian" or "evil", blaming bad things on everything but themselves.
Living is hard enough, we often live in pain and despair, only for most to live that way eternally.

If God wants to eternally smite me for standing up for the others in His world,
then may he. I can't stop Him.
IN the mean time, I'm agnostic.
PS. No, I was not a new christian, born and raised methodist, "Saved" in the sixth grade. Now a sympathetic hethen, because I realized the coldness of my religion.

BTW, I'm not normally a jerk like this, I am very sympathetic to my former religion and respect those in it, but because of the preceeding personal problems with it, Im no longer part of it.

 

[Bookman]

When we want to live an immoral lifestyle, we must find ways to hate that which would call us out of it. You say you love the things you do...so in order to get out from under the guilt you might feel, you try to denigrate the source of that guilt. But in the long run it won't work. If God is pursuing you, you'll eventually realize His love and fall at His feet. At that moment all your questions will fall away.

 

[smash_kate]

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Love ya!

 

[Wolflily]

Even if you don't believe in Him, He believes in you.
And He really, really adores you.
The Bible says that God rejoices over you with singing - isn't that something beautiful that you may have missed in your anger with God?
He wants you with Him in eternity - you're the reason He came here.
Don't give up yet...