I've Failed At Diplomacy!!!!!

[Cribstyl]

It's ugly to say "I come in peace" when I'm arguing all the time.
I have to admit the record shows that I need to mature in some areas.
My communication skillset needs work. (Lord Help me)

Out of respect to current an future members I will restrict myself to 3 threads from this date on.

I will post in this thread............
I will post and take on questions in Gentiles 101
I will also post in one thread in the discussion zone (TBD)

 

[k4c]

It's ugly to say "I come in peace" when I'm arguing all the time.
I have to admit the record shows that I need to mature in some areas.
My communication skillset needs work. (Lord Help me)

Out of respect to current an future members I will restrict myself to 3 threads from this date on.

I will post in this thread............
I will post and take on questions in Gentiles 101
I will also post in one thread in the discussion zone (TBD)

Do we have to make an appointment and will you be closed on Sabbath?

 

[Cribstyl]

What is the bible teaching us by saying : The Son of man is Lord of the Sabbath?

 

[k4c]

What is the bible teaching us by saying : The Son of man is Lord of the Sabbath?

It's teaching us that the Sabbath is His day so He has the authority to correct all the legalism religious man placed on the Sabbath.

 

[stinsonmarri]

Crib and kc4:

You both are confusing me. Kc4 you ask this man to get off your thread and now you are questioning about the same thing you said he had Scriptures but twisted them around. Crib you told me you would get back to me on one of the other threads. I defended your cause and know I just know what's up between the two of you??????

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[Cribstyl]

Crib and kc4:

You both are confusing me. Kc4 you ask this man to get off your thread and now you are questioning about the same thing you said he had Scriptures but twisted them around. Crib you told me you would get back to me on one of the other threads. I defended your cause and know I just know what's up between the two of you??????

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

Truth is, some long posts cause me fits, because I want address to much at once.
It looks like i'm arround, but I'm studying my bible along with what is said in a given post. I also
have other responsiblites that distract my intention.

Please help me not to futher clutter the superhighway for others to feel free to post in the Trad forum.

If you're talking about Gentile 101 thread, I will revisit it soon.
If not please put a link here to the post that you want me to address.

Thank you dear.

 

[stinsonmarri]

Truth is, some long posts cause me fits, because I want address to much at once.
It looks like i'm arround, but I'm studying my bible along with what is said in a given post. I also
have other responsiblites that distract my intention.

Please help me not to futher clutter the superhighway for others to feel free to post in the Trad forum.

If you're talking about Gentile 101 thread, I will revisit it soon.
If not please put a link here to the post that you want me to address.

Thank you dear.

I understand you studying Crib because I feel I know you are decent person and want to know truth. I too have been blame at one time how I spoke to people and it still happens now but prayer changes thing. That still do not give anyone the right to speak nasty to things you choose not to accept whether I or anyone else says they are right. We must allow the Holy Spirit to mend the heart (mind). But kindness always goes a long way. Now take your time study I am willing to wait but don't leave any of the threads. I come and get ya if you do my friend!

I love a challange anyway and you have provided that for me as well help me to study more and understand even more as I write back to you. I love the discussion and to present my view hoping others will learn from me correctly. I also love kc4 because he has some interesting discussions as well. I may not agree with all of them but many I do agree with but not in the way he address things from time to time. I also think he is a good guy as well and love Yahweh. But we cannot get angry when others don't see things the way we do at that time. I want him to be patience and know that the Holy Spirit is the One who will lead those who are sincere to truth. Question what we believe as Paul said we should always be ready to give an answer. Well that's my sermon for today.

Blessing to you both,
stinsonmarri

 

[Stryder06]

Crib, may I ask you a question?

 

[Cribstyl]

Crib, may I ask you a question?

Go ahead and ask

 

[E.T.Elijah]

I understand you studying Crib because I feel I know you are decent person and want to know truth. I too have been blame at one time how I spoke to people and it still happens now but prayer changes thing. That still do not give anyone the right to speak nasty to things you choose not to accept whether I or anyone else says they are right. We must allow the Holy Spirit to mend the heart (mind). But kindness always goes a long way. Now take your time study I am willing to wait but don't leave any of the threads. I come and get ya if you do my friend!

I love a challange anyway and you have provided that for me as well help me to study more and understand even more as I write back to you. I love the discussion and to present my view hoping others will learn from me correctly. I also love kc4 because he has some interesting discussions as well. I may not agree with all of them but many I do agree with but not in the way he address things from time to time. I also think he is a good guy as well and love Yahweh. But we cannot get angry when others don't see things the way we do at that time. I want him to be patience and know that the Holy Spirit is the One who will lead those who are sincere to truth. Question what we believe as Paul said we should always be ready to give an answer. Well that's my sermon for today.

Blessing to you both,
stinsonmarri

I must say that everyone of us, on this forum or not, should follow this advice. Thank you for your input stinsonmarri!

 

[Stryder06]

Go ahead and ask

Thanks. I asked Ricker the same question so I'm just going to copy and paste it in:

Ex 12:38 let's us know that there were others who left Egypt along with the Isrealites.

So with that in mind, do you believe these non-Israelites were obligated to keep God's law?

Also, do you think that they were included when God addressed the people as "Israel"?

 

[Cribstyl]

What is the bible teaching us by saying : The Son of man is Lord of the Sabbath?

What the bible is teaching in Matthews gospel about that question is based on these verses:

Matt 12:
1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them.
2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”


3 He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry?
4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests.
5 Or haven’t you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the tem
ple desecrate the day and yet are innocent?

6 I tell you that one [fn1] greater than the temple is here.
7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ [fn2] you would not have condemned the innocent.
8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”


Verses 1,2..... The Pharisees saw Christ's disciple picking grain on the Sabbath, then they asked Jesus, "why are your disciples breaking the sabbath commandment."

Verses 3-8 Are what Jesus responded to answer to the question.

To be continued,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Stryder06]

Verses 1,2..... The Pharisees saw Christ's disciple picking grain on the Sabbath, then they asked Jesus, "why are your disciples breaking the sabbath commandment."

Please forgive me for intruding, but the Pharisee's response goes to show how they themselves did not understand what the sabbath was for. Christ's responses to them revealed that. The disciples were walking with God. Had they actually been in violation of the sabbath commandment, then Christ too would have been in violation of it.

 

[k4c]

Please forgive me for intruding, but the Pharisee's response goes to show how they themselves did not understand what the sabbath was for. Christ's responses to them revealed that. The disciples were walking with God. Had they actually been in violation of the sabbath commandment, then Christ too would have been in violation of it.

Amen...

Jesus takes it one step further when He shows them that how, caring for needs and service to God was okay on the Sabbath, was also an old covenant principle as well.

Matthew12:3-5 But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: “how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? “Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?

 

[Cribstyl]

Please forgive me for intruding, but the Pharisee's response goes to show how they themselves did not understand what the sabbath was for. Christ's responses to them revealed that. The disciples were walking with God. Had they actually been in violation of the sabbath commandment, then Christ too would have been in violation of it.

All are welcomed to post, What would be helpful is if your conclussion were facts from the texts. (When it's not we'll probably disagree.)
It seem clear that they recognized Jesus as a rabbi who had disciples, and not as the Messiah, The annoited One of Israel", "The great High Priest" they were waiting for.

The details in what Jesus explain to them proves that their problem was not knowing who Jesus was, or that He did have authority above the temple and the priests.... Just as He explained in His answer.

I find that you saying "the Pharisees did not know what the sabbath was for" is not a good read on the details presented in the text.

Jesus explained that the Priest profane the temple and is blameless.
We can understand that picking grain on the sabbath is forbidden according to the law, but they're blameless accordin to the authority of Christ.

One lesson to learn is that the priests and ministering Levites are exempt because they all have assigned works to perform on the sabbath day.

2Ch 23:4This [is] the thing that ye shall do; A third part of you entering on the sabbath, of the priests and of the Levites, [shall be] porters of the doors;


2Ch 23:6But let none come into the house of the LORD, save the priests, and they that minister of the Levites; they shall go in, for they [are] holy: but all the people shall keep the watch of the LORD.

 

[Cribstyl]

Thanks. I asked Ricker the same question so I'm just going to copy and paste it in:

Ex 12:38 let's us know that there were others who left Egypt along with the Isrealites.

So with that in mind, do you believe these non-Israelites were obligated to keep God's law?

Also, do you think that they were included when God addressed the people as "Israel"?

I'll get to this when I have time.

 

[Stryder06]

All are welcomed to post, What would be helpful is if your conclussion were facts from the texts. (When it's not we'll probably disagree.)
It seem clear that they recognized Jesus as a rabbi who had disciples, and not as the Messiah, The annoited One of Israel", "The great High Priest" they were waiting for.

The details in what Jesus explain to them proves that their problem was not knowing who Jesus was, or that He did have authority above the temple and the priests.... Just as He explained in His answer.

I find that you saying "the Pharisees did not know what the sabbath was for" is not a good read on the details presented in the text.

I agree with what you're saying, but that doesn't take away from what I said. I was simply focusing on the sabbath portion. Jesus was accused of breaking the sabbath when He went to heal people. Jesus then said it is lawful to do good on the sabbath. The disciples needed to eat. I was just pointing out the letter vs spirit of the law conflict that was shown there.

Jesus explained that the Priest profane the temple and is blameless.
We can understand that picking grain on the sabbath is forbidden according to the law, but they're blameless accordin to the authority of Christ.

One lesson to learn is that the priests and ministering Levites are exempt because they all have assigned works to perform on the sabbath day.

It's not that they were "exempt" from the prohibition from working, but rather it was the fact that the work they were doing was ok to be done. If a levite went out to feed his flock or trim the hedges on the sabbath, that would be a big no no.

 

[Cribstyl]

I agree with what you're saying, but that doesn't take away from what I said. I was simply focusing on the sabbath portion. Jesus was accused of breaking the sabbath when He went to heal people. Jesus then said it is lawful to do good on the sabbath. The disciples needed to eat. I was just pointing out the letter vs spirit of the law conflict that was shown there.

You may be talking about some other scriptures.... Jesus was responding to accusation of sabbath breaking by His disciples.
Anywayz .

It's not that they were "exempt" from the prohibition from working, but rather it was the fact that the work they were doing was ok to be done. If a levite went out to feed his flock or trim the hedges on the sabbath, that would be a big no no.

Actually a Levites duties on Sabbath was primarly to control access to all parts of the temple, and to kill any violators of the Law. What I see is how you're redifining the commandment to do no work on the Sabbath.

I dont think we should find disagreement in what the Pharisees asked and what Christ answered in Matt12:1-8.

 

[Cribstyl]

Amen...

Jesus takes it one step further when He shows them that how, caring for needs and service to God was okay on the Sabbath, was also an old covenant principle as well.

Matthew12:3-5 But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: “how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? “Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?

The last thing on the Pharisees mind is "how cute, He's caring for His disciples" So, No Christ did not take that approach. Your comment seem agenda driven, rather than trying to apply the texts to wisdom.

It seem clear that Jesus got them to think about a similar event in scriptures that shows how David and His men ate from something that it was not lawful for them to eat, but for the priests only.
You guys dont want to see that it's not lawful except for those with God given authority.

This text is telling us flat out that the priest do work on the sabbath but they're exempt (blameless).
have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless.



If you read that the priests must recieve, kill and prepare burnt offering every sabbath you'd know that they have work to do as minister in the sanctuary.Num 28:10[This is] the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

 

[Cribstyl]

Thanks. I asked Ricker the same question so I'm just going to copy and paste it in:

Ex 12:38 let's us know that there were others who left Egypt along with the Isrealites.

So with that in mind, do you believe these non-Israelites were obligated to keep God's law?

Also, do you think that they were included when God addressed the people as "Israel"?

Exd 12:38And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, [even] very much cattle.


First off, we have to say with the scripture that a mix multitude left Egypt with the children of Israel rather than trying to say that the Children of Israel were a mixed multitude. It's easy to create or follow a false teaching.

The facts is, Ex 12 shows exactly what God required from anyone who was not the Children of Israel. Exd 12:48And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.


They were as strangers and not as the Children of Israel.