It is always 67 degrees.

[Diamond72]

Not everyone is going to understand this, but I am going to explain it anyways because of its far reaching implications.

1. Average Temperature: The average surface temperature on Earth is actually around 59°F (15°C)1. This average can fluctuate due to various factors, including climate change. Temperatures vary widely across different regions, the global average is a bit lower than 67°F.
2. Heat Flow and Weather: Heat flows from hotter to colder areas, which is a fundamental principle of thermodynamics. This heat transfer is indeed a driving force behind weather patterns, as it influences atmospheric circulation and the movement of air masses.
3. Digging a Hole to China: If you were to dig a tunnel straight through the Earth, you would end up in the Southern Hemisphere, not necessarily in China. The exact location would depend on your starting point. For example, if you started in the United States, you might end up in the Indian Ocean.
4. Day and Night: The concept of day and night being opposite on different sides of the Earth is accurate. When it’s day in one hemisphere, it’s night in the other due to the Earth’s rotation.
5. Biblical Reference: The idea of evening and morning marking the first day is a fascinating interpretation. Many cultures and religions have their own ways of understanding the passage of time and the creation of the world.
6. Sun and Heat: The sun indeed plays a crucial role in heating the Earth. Through nuclear fusion, the sun generates immense energy, which travels to Earth and warms our planet.

This is why Einstein talks about relativity and our perspective. If you want to meet a friend, you have to have a time and a place. Actually my wife is on vacation with our son right now. She is on the other side of the earth. So there is a 12 hour difference in time. When she is waking up I am going to sleep. She is getting ready to go to church on Sunday but it is still Saturday night for me. She is somewhat close to the equator so the temp there is close to the same year round.

 

[Citanul]

1. Digging a Hole to China: If you were to dig a tunnel straight through the Earth, you would end up in the Southern Hemisphere, not necessarily in China.

If you dig a tunnel to the Southern Hemisphere then it's not a case of "not necessarily" ending up in China, but definitely not ending up there. And you wouldn't end up in the Southern Hemisphere if that's where you started.

 

[David Lamb]

Not everyone is going to understand this, but I am going to explain it anyways because of its far reaching implications.

1. Average Temperature: The average surface temperature on Earth is actually around 59°F (15°C)1. This average can fluctuate due to various factors, including climate change. Temperatures vary widely across different regions, the global average is a bit lower than 67°F.

Can you explain why you say that the average temperature of the earth is around 59 degrees F, then you say that the global average is a bit lower than 67°F?

 

[BobRyan]

Not everyone is going to understand this, but I am going to explain it anyways because of its far reaching implications.

1. Average Temperature: The average surface temperature on Earth is actually around 59°F (15°C)1. This average can fluctuate due to various factors, including climate change. Temperatures vary widely across different regions, the global average is a bit lower than 67°F.
2. Heat Flow and Weather: Heat flows from hotter to colder areas, which is a fundamental principle of thermodynamics. This heat transfer is indeed a driving force behind weather patterns, as it influences atmospheric circulation and the movement of air masses.
3. Digging a Hole to China: If you were to dig a tunnel straight through the Earth, you would end up in the Southern Hemisphere, not necessarily in China. The exact location would depend on your starting point. For example, if you started in the United States, you might end up in the Indian Ocean.
4. Day and Night: The concept of day and night being opposite on different sides of the Earth is accurate. When it’s day in one hemisphere, it’s night in the other due to the Earth’s rotation.
5. Biblical Reference: The idea of evening and morning marking the first day is a fascinating interpretation. Many cultures and religions have their own ways of understanding the passage of time and the creation of the world.
6. Sun and Heat: The sun indeed plays a crucial role in heating the Earth. Through nuclear fusion, the sun generates immense energy, which travels to Earth and warms our planet.

This is why Einstein talks about relativity and our perspective. If you want to meet a friend, you have to have a time and a place. Actually my wife is on vacation with our son right now. She is on the other side of the earth. So there is a 12 hour difference in time. When she is waking up I am going to sleep. She is getting ready to go to church on Sunday but it is still Saturday night for me. She is somewhat close to the equator so the temp there is close to the same year round.

ok.

But what are the far-reaching implications that interest you?

 

[Diamond72]

But what are the far-reaching implications that interest you?

I am interested in what "day" means in Genesis chapter one. When we read: "there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.b

 

[Diamond72]

Can you explain why you say that the average temperature of the earth is around 59 degrees F

The total amount of mass and energy in a closed system remains constant, even though they can transform into each other. What is important is that the number does not change. It is always the same. According to the law of thermodynamics. Or as Einstein said: E=MC2. This is a constant.

 

[Diamond72]

And you wouldn't end up in the Southern Hemisphere if that's where you started.

We are not starting there, we are starting here where we are at. For us it is easier to look at the time zones. On New Years Eve the new year starts 12 different times in 12 different places. I think the day should start in Jerusalem.

The new day on Earth officially starts at the International Date Line (IDL), which is an imaginary line located at approximately 180 degrees longitude in the middle of the Pacific Ocean1. When you cross the IDL from west to east, you move into the next calendar day, and when you cross from east to west, you go back a day1.

The first country to welcome each new day is usually Kiribati, specifically the Line Islands, which are situated just to the west of the IDL1.

 

[Citanul]

We are not starting there, we are starting here where we are at.

Where I'm at? That's the Southern Hemisphere.

 

[Jipsah]

I think the day should start in Jerusalem.

Nah. Even though I'm a biracial American, I identify as English, so I say the day starts precisely where it ought to, in London. (OK, Greenwich, 5 minutes by clipper from London, so sue me.)
"
"Each day on Earth begins at midnight in Greenwich, England, where the prime meridian is located. Originally, the prime meridian's purpose was to help ships at sea find their longitude and determine accurately their position on the globe. The calibration of chronometers – time measurement instruments – with solar time was necessary to find longitude. Determining longitude soon led to the establishment of time zones and a coordinated, international standard time. In modern times, atomic clocks have replaced solar time."

 

[Jipsah]

Where I'm at? That's the Southern Hemisphere.

The southern hemisphere is always 14 hours, 17 minutes behind the northern hemisphere due to coriolis effect.

 

[Diamond72]

I say the day starts precisely where it ought to, in London.

Actually for us the New Year starts in Times square with Ryan Seacrest who took over for Dick Clark. Just like the Thanksgiving day parade kicks off the holiday season.

 

[prodromos]

I am interested in what "day" means in Genesis chapter one. When we read: "there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.b

It is interesting, seeing as the sun was yet to be created.

 

[Diamond72]

It is interesting, seeing as the sun was yet to be created.

I guess that depends on your understanding of "Heavens and Earth" in verse one.

 

[David Lamb]

I guess that depends on your understanding of "Heavens and Earth" in verse one.

I don't see how it depends on that, because we read:

“14 ¶ Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 "and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. [He made] the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that [it was] good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.” (Ge 1:14-19 NKJV)

Are you saying that the greater and lesser lights were not the sun and moon?

 

[Diamond72]

Are you saying that the greater and lesser lights were not the sun and moon?

I am saying the key word is firmament. If you do not understand what a firmament is, then the whole passage is NOT going to make any sense. Even you can use the word "sky" or "atmosphere".

There is a slight delay at both sunrise and sunset due to atmospheric refraction. This phenomenon causes the Sun to appear above the horizon even when it is actually below it.

• Advanced Sunrise: The Sun appears to rise about two minutes earlier than it actually does1.
• Delayed Sunset: The Sun appears to set about two minutes later than it actually does1.

This effect occurs because the Earth’s atmosphere bends the light from the Sun, making it visible even when it is below the horizon2.

God created the Heaven and the Earth on day one. That includes the sun, the moon and all the stars.

 

[David Lamb]

I am saying the key word is firmament. If you do not understand what a firmament is, then the whole passage is NOT going to make any sense. Even you can use the word "sky" or "atmosphere".

There is a slight delay at both sunrise and sunset due to atmospheric refraction. This phenomenon causes the Sun to appear above the horizon even when it is actually below it.

• Advanced Sunrise: The Sun appears to rise about two minutes earlier than it actually does1.
• Delayed Sunset: The Sun appears to set about two minutes later than it actually does1.

This effect occurs because the Earth’s atmosphere bends the light from the Sun, making it visible even when it is below the horizon2.

God created the Heaven and the Earth on day one. That includes the sun, the moon and all the stars.

So why, in your view, does the description of God's creative work on Day Four include the sun, moon and stars, as recorded in Genesis 1:14-19, quoted in my previous post?

 

[davetaff]

Hi
If I may answer the question as I have said before the creation account in Genesis should be applied starting with Noah would take 6 days 1000 years long the end result man in the image of God that is Jesus Christ.
The creation of the sun moon and stars are symbolic the sun represents Christ the moon represents his bride the church and the stars the children of God this happend on the 4th day 4000 years after Noah stepped of the ark.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi
If I may answer the question as I have said before the creation account in Genesis should be applied starting with Noah would take 6 days 1000 years long the end result man in the image of God that is Jesus Christ.
The creation of the sun moon and stars are symbolic the sun represents Christ the moon represents his bride the church and the stars the children of God this happend on the 4th day 4000 years after Noah stepped of the ark.

Love and Peace
Dave

You already know that I don't agree that the creation account start with Noah. I do agree that in a sense, the sun represents Jesus Christ, who is called "the Sun of Righteousness" in Old Testament prophecy:

“But to you who fear My name The Sun of Righteousness shall arise With healing in His wings; And you shall go out And grow fat like stall-fed calves.” (Mal 4:2 NKJV)

Where, though, are we told in the bible that the moon represents the church, or the stars the children of God? Anyway, is there a difference between the children of God and the church? And where do you get the idea that "this" (by which I assume you mean the beginning of the New Testament church) "happened on the 4th day 4000 years after Noah stepped of the ark"? The 4th day of what?

 

[davetaff]

Hi David
Thank you for your reply if we can agree that the sun represents Christ and we know the moon is the reflected light of the sun the words of Paul come to mind

1 Corinthians 13:12 ESV
[12] For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

bible.com

If the sun represents Christ then the moon represents something and the only logical answer is his bride the church the reflected light of the sun its interesting that st Paul could know that the moon reflected the suns light I have nothing to support the stars being the children of God except my logic.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Grafted In]

Nah. Even though I'm a biracial American, I identify as English, so I say the day starts precisely where it ought to, in London. (OK, Greenwich, 5 minutes by clipper from London, so sue me.)
"
"Each day on Earth begins at midnight in Greenwich, England, where the prime meridian is located. Originally, the prime meridian's purpose was to help ships at sea find their longitude and determine accurately their position on the globe. The calibration of chronometers – time measurement instruments – with solar time was necessary to find longitude. Determining longitude soon led to the establishment of time zones and a coordinated, international standard time. In modern times, atomic clocks have replaced solar time."

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