Israel's future and Pat: Your view

Gwenyfur · Jan 12, 2006

HolyGuardianAngels said:
First of all let me say... I think it's unkind to "kick a man when he's down"... Just because Sharon is a large man, does not mean he deserves to to sick as somone posted... thin people get cancer and aids and it's not due to their size!!

Next, I want to say to Diane, I truly believe that it does matter...When all is said and done... the Hebrew people will still stand as God's chosen people... I mean, correct me if I am wrong, but, I have never found a verse of Sacred Scripture where God says, He takes back the "chosen People" status He has given to Israel... No...instead, God says' things like:

[bible]Isaiah 44:1[/bible]

[bible]Isaiah 44:2[/bible]

[bible]Isaiah 44:3[/bible]

[bible]Isaiah 44:4[/bible]

[bible]Isaiah 44:5[/bible]

[bible]Isaiah 44:6[/bible]

Here we see just who is Chosen... It is as if God has added-us-into (grafted us into) and adopted us Catholic/Christian Gentiles, so that we are ~also~ Chosen... we do not take the place of Israel!! ~For we read in:

[bible]Jeremiah 12:16[/bible]

[bible]Jeremiah 12:17[/bible]

We must Learn the ways of Gods' people (Isreal) and
"unlearn what we have learned" as Yoda said.

[bible]Jeremiah 31:35[/bible]

[bible]Jeremiah 31:36[/bible]

[bible]Jeremiah 31:37[/bible]

Here we read the words "for ever" and "shall not cease".

Isreals' land; all of it, must be theirs, for God gave the land to them...
Read the book of Joshua

God Bless

Couldn't have said better myself

Reps to you!!!

catlover · Jan 12, 2006

I can't believe people can get so nasty over land...good Lord.

Gwenyfur · Jan 12, 2006

KEPLER said:
He is finished with the political nation of Israel, but not with individual Jews.

GOD never wanted the Jews to have a King, but they demanded one, so He gave them one (SAUL). But He told them that one day HE would be their King, and that HAS BEEN FULFILLED in Jesus.

There was NEVER: NOT ONCE: a promise for an earthly Kingdom. That was NEVER the plan. It was always a SPIRITUAL kingdom that was promised.

He now deals with Jews just like everyone else: they come to Him through Jesus. They are not excluded. They were the original members of the Covenant, and God has NOT turned His back on them. He is now making His calling sure through the suffering, death and resurrection of Jesus.

K

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heh

The millenial kingdom is the fulfillment of His covenant with the Jews.

Replacement theology is a dangerous track...as well as a fairly recent development in theology. Only in the last 90 years or so has this theory been taught.

It's a shame that so many people want our land, by might, by deception or just plain greed of the sites that Messiah visited.

Not one invasion of the land of Israel (holy land) has been on behalf of the Jews and we are quite aware of how most gentiles regard it as their own, Despite the promise to the father of our nation, Abraham.

There are no more jews? Then what am I, I ask...

there are more anti semitic statements in this thread than I have heard or read in a very long time.

Gwenyfur · Jan 12, 2006

OnTheWay said:
How pathetic, the holocaust does not give the Jews the right to murder women and children. I will not simply excuse terrible and unacceptable behavior because of some past event. Blowing yourself up is no more to be defended that a government that uses hit men and indiscriminately fires rockets at car loads of people.
The Arabs behave ungodly and the Jews behave ungodly. Neither side is right.

check again, it's not jews who are killing innocent women and children. It's the sons of Ishmael who are coming into our land and terrorizing innocents.

It is the sons of Ishmael who are marrying our women and having jewish children in order to raise them as muslims, and then kill our women when they've had enough children...

Get the facts or go to your corner and be quiet!

Jesus Is Real · Jan 12, 2006

Opps dup.
How did that happen?

Jesus Is Real · Jan 12, 2006

Was a dup again!

Jesus Is Real · Jan 12, 2006

But are we, who call ourselves believers:

1. Hearing God? Nope. (ISAIAH 44:1)
2. Are we believing Him to help us? Nope. ( ISAIAH 44:2)
3. Are we in fearing? Yep. (ISAIAH 44:2)
4. Are we receiving His Spirit on our dry and thirsty ground? Nope. (ISAIAH 44:3)
5. Are we springing up by the water courses? Nope. (ISAIAH 44:4)
But we are spring up with fightings and debates with rage in our hearts.
6. We we learning the ways of God's Holy People? Nope. (JEREMIAH 12:16)
For it startes with GOD'S FIRST PEOPLE--HIS SON JESUS CHRIST,
THE NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES.
7. Are we being built in the midst of Holy People? Nope. (JEREMIAH 12:16)
7. Are we disobeying? Yep. (JEREMIAH 12:17)
8. Are we keeping His Name Holy? Nope (JEREMIAH 31:35)
9. Are we walking in the ways of God? Nope (JEREEMIAH 31:36)
THEN ISRAEL NEEDS TO GET SAVED OR SHE WILL CEASE
FROM BEING A NATION WHO IS PLEASING TO GOD WHERE
GOD ENJOYS TO BEHOLD AND DRAW NEAR TO.

BUT "IN CHRIST" ALL IS HEALED.

SO, WHAT DOES THE PROMISES HAVE TO DO WITH CHRIST COMING
IN THE FIRST PLACE?

You want the Land?
You want Israel to have the Land?
THEN RECEIVE POWER FROM ON HIGH, FIRST!!!

THEN WE WILL KNOW THAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT GOD, HIMSELF, ALL ALONG!!

GraceInHim · Jan 12, 2006

Jisrrl - think I spelled your name correct.. sorry if I did not.. Jesus is Real.. hehe

what about the words of God concerning the prophecies to do with the Jewish people?

There are so many concerning thier re-establishment, and I have no idea,, maybe you or someone else can answer this.. in the NT.. Jesus never preached out of Israel.. he chose Paul, to graft us in as Gentiles..

what I am missing is they were all Jews who wrote the scriptures and the gospels, and there were many Jews which followed.. what happened after thier deaths to bring this all into Christianity and where did the followers who were still of Jewish blood go.. there had to be thousands which made it out alive from the killings of Christians.

Gwenyfur · Jan 12, 2006

jsisrl said:
It is HOLY CHILDREN GOD IS CREATING.
Even if God would say, Heaven and Earth shall pass away
but My Words shall never pass away. Notice the word, "Earth"
I think that will even mean the land of promise. So, if God's
Word will never pass away then what is GOD REALLY MEANING
ABOUT "THE PROMISED LAND?" God is going to make New Heaven
and a New Earth,....so why the anger, why the fightings among you?

Is it not the war that's really inside of you?

{In short.)

There is nothing holy about mankind...jew or gentile...we are ALL unworthy of His love guidance law and grace.

Yes we seek the holiness of Abba Father, and His Son Y'shua, we however don't claim to be holy people. the only claim to holiness any of us can have is through Y'shua's blood...nothing else, no matter how much we seek His face.

Jesus Is Real · Jan 12, 2006

Gwenyfur said:
The millenial kingdom is the fulfillment of His covenant with the Jews.

Hey there Gwenyfur,

Actually God is fulfilling it already through His Son.
And many 'hearts' are coming to the Promised Land with God now,
through Salvation in Christ.
Israel must be Saved first to received of God's Hand.
Just like Jesus told us about.
But we all, spoken to the Jew first and then to the gentiles,
must FIRST receive HIM in our lives or we will perish.
Jesus wanted us of the good and the bad and the ugly.
If we, or if those who are of the flesh of Abraham,
don't receive GOD we have HAVE NO GOD to help us.
John the Baptist, warned Israel.
Peter did in his Writtings, which were inspired of the Holy Spirit of God.
And Jude in his Writtings warned.

Until God breaks our bow.
Until God cuts our spears apart.
Until God burns our chariots in fire,....we will stay in this destolation that
God has given us all!

Until this these things are HOLTED IN OUR LIVES,.....we will not:
1. Be still
2. Nor will we EVER KNOW GOD!
3. Nor will we exalt Him in our hearts, let alone see it on the Earth.

FOR THUS SAYETH THE LORD:

[bible]Psalm 46:8-10[/bible]
[bible]Hebrews 12:14[/bible]

Can I get a witness!

Jesus Is Real · Jan 12, 2006

Quote
Originally Posted by: jsisrl

It is HOLY CHILDREN GOD IS CREATING.
Even if God would say, Heaven and Earth shall pass away
but My Words shall never pass away. Notice the word, "Earth"
I think that will even mean the land of promise. So, if God's
Word will never pass away then what is GOD REALLY MEANING
ABOUT "THE PROMISED LAND?" God is going to make New Heaven
and a New Earth,....so why the anger, why the fightings among you?

Is it not the war that's really inside of you?

{In short.)

Gwenyfur said:
There is nothing holy about mankind...jew or gentile...we are ALL unworthy of His love guidance law and grace.

Yes we seek the holiness of Abba Father, and His Son Y'shua, we however don't claim to be holy people. the only claim to holiness any of us can have is through Y'shua's blood...nothing else, no matter how much we seek His face.

Read it again!
At least keep my post in the context of what I ALL SAID.

Scholar in training · Jan 12, 2006

Gwenyfur said:
The millenial kingdom is the fulfillment of His covenant with the Jews.

Replacement theology is a dangerous track...as well as a fairly recent development in theology. Only in the last 90 years or so has this theory been taught.

This is not true. "Replacement theology" (RT) is a broad term for several different views of eschatology, but it is not at all new, nor is it dangerous. If anything, Millenialism is the new kid on the block (perhaps taught by a few early Christians, re-emerging after the Reformation). Anti-Semitism does not stem from RT, and anyone who would buttress their prejudice with RT certainly does not represent those who subscribe to RT.

Jesus Is Real · Jan 12, 2006

jgonz,

But do you know why the Land is not 'at peace' with all of it's inhabitants?
And what DOES the Holy Spirit's Power, in receiving HIM, have to do with
The Restoration of Israel, if any?

Jesus Is Real · Jan 12, 2006

GraceInHim said:
Jisrrl - think I spelled your name correct.. sorry if I did not.. Jesus is Real.. hehe

what about the words of God concerning the prophecies to do with the Jewish people?

There are so many concerning thier re-establishment, and I have no idea,, maybe you or someone else can answer this.. in the NT.. Jesus never preached out of Israel.. he chose Paul, to graft us in as Gentiles..

what I am missing is they were all Jews who wrote the scriptures and the gospels, and there were many Jews which followed.. what happened after thier deaths to bring this all into Christianity and where did the followers who were still of Jewish blood go.. there had to be thousands which made it out alive from the killings of Christians.

The God who promises was with Them---JESUS CHRIST.
IMMANUEL, GOD WITH US RIGHT?

So what did Jesus say about 'The Law' and 'The Prophets'?
How do you read it?

GraceInHim · Jan 12, 2006

jsisrl said:
The God who promises was with Them---JESUS CHRIST.
IMMANUEL, GOD WITH US RIGHT?

So what did Jesus say about 'The Law' and 'The Prophets'?
How do you read it?

gee.. my cp is running slow... yes agree.. Jesus says he will return to a New Jerusalem on Mount Zion.. and the 144,000 tribes of Israel come also .. he also mentions, he will see what Jews are real Jews..

Jesus Is Real · Jan 12, 2006

GraceInHim said:
gee.. my cp is running slow... yes agree.. Jesus says he will return to a New Jerusalem on Mount Zion.. and the 144,000 tribes of Israel come also .. he also mentions, he will see what Jews are real Jews..

Slow it down.

What did JESUS (GOD HIMSELF WHO WAS THE WORD OF HIS PROMISES)
SAY TO THE JEWS ABOUT "THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS."
QUOTE THAT VERSE TO ME!

GraceInHim · Jan 12, 2006

jsisrl said:
Slow it down.

What did JESUS (GOD HIMSELF WHO WAS THE WORD OF HIS PROMISES)
SAY TO THE JEWS ABOUT "THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS."
QUOTE THAT VERSE TO ME!

i dunno

Jesus Is Real · Jan 12, 2006

GraceInHim said:
i dunno

Look it up: Blue Letter Bible
http://www.blueletterbible.org/

Then find: -------->Words/Phrase to Search for
Look up the phrase "the Law and the Prophets"

WHAT DID JESUS SAY ABOUT THIS???

I can wait!

GraceInHim · Jan 12, 2006

jsisrl said:
Look it up: Blue Letter Bible
http://www.blueletterbible.org/

Then find: -------->Words/Phrase to Search for
Look up the phrase "the Law and the Prophets"

WHAT DID JESUS SAY ABOUT THIS???

I can wait!

too lazy too many verses, like trying to find a neddle in a haystack..

just place it.. you do right with the Lord's words

Jesus Is Real · Jan 12, 2006

GraceInHim said:
too lazy too many verses, like trying to find a neddle in a haystack..

just place it.. you do right with the Lord's words

OUCH.......you have learned my own weakeness forsure: haystack

_________________
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
__________________

So, what did Jesus say about 'the law and the Prophets'?
How do you read it?

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Israel should have it's land back.

Peace in the Middle East.

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