Edial said:
Others fit Britain.
Just remember the word nation generally refers to a people.
OnTheWay said:
In God's eyes the truth is all that matters. Those that believe will know the truth.
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Edial said:Except for very few lines U.S. appears to fit the definition. Odd.
Thanks,
Ed
OnTheWay said:It rather seems all you have done is promote British Israelism, a half baked heresy from the 19th century. No one has ever taken it seriously.
GraceInHim said:[SIZE=-1]"'I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name's sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst, and the nations will know that I am the Eternal Lord,' says the Eternal Lord God, 'when I am set apart in you before their eyes. For I will sprinkle clean water upon you and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you. I will remove the heart of stone out of your flesh and I will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and I will cause you to begin to walk in My statutes, and you will begin to keep My judgments and will do them. Then you will live in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you will be My people, and I will be your God'"[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] (Ezek. 36:22-27). [/SIZE]
ethereous said:Ok... What is the exact point you are trying to make so I may address it? Generally you need to say what you want to say and then put passages to back it up. Not simply put a passage and hope someone interprets it the same way as you.
The decedencts of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will inherit the kingdom as promised by G-d millenia ago.
GraceInHim said:it is a people. a nation.. right
Also, thou son of man, prophesy unto the mountains of Israel, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the LORD: Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the enemy hath said against you, Aha, even the ancient high places are ours in possession: Therefore prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because they have made you desolate, and swallowed you up on every side, that ye might be a possession unto the residue of the nations, and ye are taken up in the lips of talkers, and are an infamy of the people: Therefore, ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD; Thus saith the Lord GOD to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, to the desolate wastes, and to the cities that are forsaken, which became a prey and derision to the residue of the nations that are round about;
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the nations, and against all Idumea, which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey. Prophesy therefore concerning the land of Israel, and say unto the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I have spoken in my jealousy and in my fury, because ye have borne the shame of the nations: Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I have lifted up mine hand, Surely the nations that are about you, they shall bear their shame. But ye, O mountains of Israel, ye shall shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to my people of Israel; for they are at hand to come. For, behold, I am for you, and I will turn unto you, and ye shall be tilled and sown: And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded: And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, even my people Israel; and they shall possess thee, and thou shalt be their inheritance, and thou shalt no more henceforth bereave them of men. Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because they say unto you, Thou land devourest up men, and hast bereaved thy nations: Therefore thou shalt devour men no more, neither bereave thy nations any more, saith the Lord GOD. Neither will I cause men to hear in thee the shame of the nations any more, neither shalt thou bear the reproach of the people any more, neither shalt thou cause thy nations to fall any more, saith the Lord GOD. Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.
Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it: And I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them. And when they entered unto the nations, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land. But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations, whither they went. Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the nations, whither ye went. And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the nations, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the nations shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the nations, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you. And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the nations. Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations. Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel. Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded. And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by. And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited. Then the nations that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it. Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock. As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD. Ezekiel 36:1-38
Oblio said:Those descendents are the Church. There can be racial Jews within the Church, but it is the Christian Church that is promised the Kingdom. Jews are saved because they become Christian, not because they are of the physical seed of Abraham.
ethereous said:Yes that is why they seperate countries in nations in Ezekie 36.
Here is something interesting if you take the entire Ezekiel 36 in perspective.
I highlighte a few words and sentences.
The words highlighted are:
nations
countries
mountains and (mountains of Israel)
Idumea
Partial sentences that are highlighted are:
"mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, to the desolate wastes, and to the cities that are forsaken"
"land of Israel"
"mountains of Israel"
"mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys"
multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the nations.
As you see God seperates the words nations and countries. Put in the words people or races in place of nations and it will fit perfectly.
Idumea is a country which he specifically lists but he also is refering to the people of Idumea (Edomites).
When he is speaking to the mountains, he is speaking to the governments (that which protects) or the governments of Israel.
The partial sentence "mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys" is saying "all the lands and those within"
Gwenyfur said:thank you for playing,
but seriously...the convenant with Israel has yet to be fulfilled, G-d doesn't not break His word, and the church is NOT Israel.
G-d is NOT a liar...His word is forever...and until the covenant is fulfilled, Israel (the decendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) remain the chosen ones of G-d.
Romans 9:6-8 said:Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Galatians 4:22-31 said:For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Maximus said:[/b]
Who are the "children of the promise"?
St. Paul wrote that to the Galatians, who were not Jews but converts to Christianity, descendants of Celtic tribes that had invaded Asia Minor and settled there centuries earlier.
God doesn't break His word, but the way the Dispensationalists and Messianics explain His word is just plain wrong.
GraceInHim said:becuz the Prophets wrote about this.. placed many verses for this..
OnTheWay said:If that view were accurate it means literally 144,000 Jewish male virigins in heaven, according to Revelation. So people like St. Peter (not a virgin) the Mother of God Mary (not a man) and many other chief figures in Christianity (not Jews) will not be heaven. Maybe it's time to stop reading an account of a vision in the form of a dream literally. It's a good idea.
Oblio said:Those descendents are the Church. There can be racial Jews within the Church, but it is the Christian Church that is promised the Kingdom. Jews are saved because they become Christian, not because they are of the physical seed of Abraham.
He shoots...HE SCORES!!!!!Maximus said:[/b]
Who are the "children of the promise"?
St. Paul wrote that to the Galatians, who were not Jews but converts to Christianity, descendants of Celtic tribes that had invaded Asia Minor and settled there centuries earlier.
God doesn't break His word, but the way the Dispensationalists and Messianics explain His word is just plain wrong.
Exactly. Thank you.KEPLER said:And I thinkMel's point is that Jews "returing" to Israel and then leaving again because their fellow Jews were such snobs (to this very day, Russian Jews are treated horribly by the Israelis, who make them live in ghettos)...well, this hardly looks like a REAL fulfillment of prophecy.....
K
visionary said:Deborah was unique among the women, and men, of Bible History in that she was prophetess, a judge and a military leader all in one - a powerful triple combination of authority and responsibility held by only two other Israelites, Moses and Samuel.
Dated at approximately 1200 B.C., Deborah served as a judge at "the palm tree of Deborah" in southern Ephraim between Ramah and Bethel, thereby possibly making her of the tribe of Ephraim, as was Joshua earlier. She was referred to as the "mother of Israel" because of her leadership in the battle against Canaanite oppression.
Victory Over Sisera
"After Ehud died, the Israelites once again did evil in the eyes of The Lord. So The Lord sold them into the hands of Jabin, a king of Canaan, who reigned in Hazor. The commander of his army was Sisera, who lived in Harosheth Haggoyim. Because he had nine hundred iron chariots and had cruelly oppressed the Israelites for twenty years, they cried to The Lord for help."
"Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading [traditionally judging] Israel at that time. She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites came to her to have their disputes decided. She sent for Barak son of Abinoam from Kedesh in Naphtali and said to him, "The Lord, the God of Israel, commands you: 'Go, take with you ten thousand men of Naphtali and Zebulun and lead the way to Mount Tabor. I will lure Sisera, the commander of Jabin's army, with his chariots and his troops to the Kishon River and give him into your hands.'"
"Barak said to her, "If you go with me, I will go; but if you don't go with me, I won't go."
"Very well," Deborah said, "I will go with you. But because of the way you are going about this, the honor will not be yours, for The Lord will hand Sisera over to a woman." So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh, where he summoned Zebulun and Naphtali. Ten thousand men followed him, and Deborah also went with him."
"Now Heber the Kenite had left the other Kenites, the descendants of Hobab, Moses' brother-in-law, and pitched his tent by the great tree in Zaanannim near Kedesh."
"When they told Sisera that Barak son of Abinoam had gone up to Mount Tabor, Sisera gathered together his nine hundred iron chariots and all the men with him, from Harosheth Haggoyim to the Kishon River."
"Then Deborah said to Barak, "Go! This is the day The Lord has given Sisera into your hands. Has not The Lord gone ahead of you?" So Barak went down Mount Tabor, followed by ten thousand men. At Barak's advance, The Lord routed Sisera and all his chariots and army by the sword, and Sisera abandoned his chariot and fled on foot. But Barak pursued the chariots and army as far as Harosheth Haggoyim. All the troops of Sisera fell by the sword; not a man was left." (Judges 4:1-16 NIV)
visionary said:She was referred to as the "mother of Israel" because of her leadership in the battle against Canaanite oppression.
Edial said:Is this what the lady Minister is teaching or this is what you personally understand the text to mean?
I do not think I ever heard her speak.
Yet I know of her name.
She is one of the "Faith Movement" teachers that believe that it was not finished at the cross, but that he also went to hell to suffer for us.
There are other things also concerning salvation itself.
It appears that these are the women that appeal to your spiritual needs.
So, No.
I will not accept the prayer that you offered - "FATHER YOU BLESSED ME THROUGH THIS WOMEN."...
since you probably mean a certain type of women.
God told her that she is "a eunich of God unto the Body"? And people believe her? Apparently so.
Back to Meyers, since you appear to be edified by a certain "type" of preaching.
According to CRI ... " Moreover, in her 1991 booklet, Meyer asserts that salvation is impossible without believing Jesus suffered in hell as the believer’s substitute. Meyer writes, “There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell".
Then she removed word "hell" in the 1996 edition obviously after people began complaining.
It appears that Joyce Meyers appears to say whatever she want and she attributes her "wants" and promptings to God.
Please do not pray for me publically, Connie.
It might turn out for the worst for either of us.
Connie, I told you before that people did not hurt me and your evaluation is incorrect.
Yet you refuse the believe me.
You believe your own perception.
Since I know what is going on in my life I stated that your perception is not your gift from God.
In your imagination (that's all I can call it now) you develop that I willingly refuse to acknowledge that your perception concerning me is correct.
Connie, you should not deceive yourself in such a fashion.
Connie what I'm doing now is what I said I would not know how to answer in the previous post.
Then you openly were praying for me invoking the Father's name. I felt quite uncomfortable about this, stated this to you, yet did not know what to do.
Throughout this post you also stated and underlined that "The Lord will just have to communicate this to you."
Connie, He did.
Please, do not pray for me in such a fashion.
Thanks,
Ed
KEPLER said:And I thinkMel's point is that Jews "returing" to Israel and then leaving again because their fellow Jews were such snobs (to this very day, Russian Jews are treated horribly by the Israelis, who make them live in ghettos)...well, this hardly looks like a REAL fulfillment of prophecy.....
K
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