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Strawman.Is that your argument? Israel has more innocent people so relatively speaking they can be excused for the numbers they kill. Am I meant to take that seriously?
No, not "us". Just you and all those who blather on in this thread about evil Israel who is conducting a just war against a criminally unjust aggressor and who have not taken the time to understand the accepted humanitarian rules of doing so.You certainly don't expect us to take you seriously.
As usual, your arguments are based on your own misguided opinions. Or, you must have an inside source in Gaza. Who in Hamas told you of this despair?Hamas had zero hope of winning against Israel.
Are you serious, "lose friends"? How about annihilation?What's the worst possible scenario in any given situation for Israel? One, that they lose the support of their friends.
Do yourself a favor and search ius in bello.That's just silly. Where, if anywhere, did you discover such a rule?
If Israel targeted any innocent people then you would have a point. That Israel did so has not been shown so you don't.Israel has killed more innocent people already, and is killing more by the day.
Sorry, but it takes a lot more than someones opinion (as this article is) to dissuade me. I have seen enough things in this life that there is little that surprises me......especially the actions of a terrorist group such as hamas.
Whoever Blesses Israel will be blessed, whoever curses Israel will be cursed.
So, if they turn to the Creator....
“I have told you,” replied Jesus, “and you do not believe it. What I have done in my Father’s name is sufficient to prove my claim, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep recognise my voice and I know who they are. They follow me and I give them eternal life. They will never die and no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all. And no one can tear anything out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are One.”
Have you seen any evidence at all that supports Israel's assertion about ambulances?We know the barbarism, savagery, and dishonesty of Hamas. I have seen no evidence that these reported portrayals are not staged.
I didn't think you could support your ridiculous assertion about "numerical estimates of innocent lives" as coming from some outside authority.Do yourself a favor and search ius in bello.
I think reasonable people understand why it is happening and that there isn't any other way. Not until someone invents a magic Has seeking bullet.If they weren't before this mess started then they may well be now. And that still doesn't give anyone the right to kill non combatants. In any given war the citizens of one country will be supporters of their own military. But an atrocity by one country doesn not allow you to kill citizens of another.
People can bleat about the fact that they are not specifically being targeted, and that seems to be some morally twisted mental gymnastics that allows people to say it's justified, but the death toll is horrendous. And you argue about the figures because you know that and you don't want to admit that you think that number of innocent dead is acceptable.
It's not. No matter how bad you paint Hamas, no matter if populations are juggled in some fatuous attempt to justify it, no matter what heinous acts are reported to have been done by Hamas, Israel has overstepped what any reasonable person would accept as a morally acceptable response. You know this as a fact.
It doesn't matter if Hamas is living fighting and staging among them. If Hamas is there then Hamas is a legitimate military target and the citizens are acceptable collateral damage. That's why it's a war crime to hide and fight among civilians. In this case the civilians may be Hamas supporters, providing them support and shelter. While they may not be actively carrying a gun they are providing support of all kinds. The rules of war recognize this. If you have a rule like this and then tell the army you cannot hit a military target because their are non-combatants present you have nullified the rule and created a new rule that says it's okay to hide and fight from non-combatant locations and there are no consequences to anyone for doing that. You might as well not have the rule.The difficulty you have is that does not make them combatants
Hamas is real. They are not imaginary. Maybe that part of your problem.Face it a major population was ordered to move by Israel. Forced relocation, stop trying to blame a bogey man
Nope rules of war. Hamas is the only barbarian here.Nope. Barbaric terrorism
Already been proven a false narrative.No. Prison camps should not be bombed by the occupier (defacto occupier)
Your argument is supporting terrorism.Being there on other people's land is the cause.
They most definitely are if the Hamas infiltrates the camps. Were Palestinians running to the Israelis pointing out all the locations where Hamas is hiding and helping them take them out? I don't believe I heard that. That would be a better way to help get rid of Hamas. Maybe it's because 70% of them.suppoet Hamas.Being there on other people's land is the cause.
Illogical and foolish position.So do not use bullets until you find who needs to be shot
Maybe, maybe not. If Hamas is there then it's not. And we heard from people that Hamas WAS at the hospital. So it's not a lie.Nope, merely labeling hospitals and apartments etc as Hamas is ridiculous And a lie
Nope Hamas and their supporters did. It's an easy thing to prove. If Hamas wasn't there there would be no bomb.Those who drop bombs on them
That's your opinion. Opinion is irrelevant in this case. Because the rules of war say otherwise.No. A highly populated are should not be bombed.
No it's reality. If Hamas is there then it's a Hamas position. It's illogical to say otherwise.False. Calling babies hamas positions is a lie.
We all see your bias. It's pretty clear.No, selected ones only
I don't think you can be persuaded as it seems you are dug into the wrong notion that Israel is the unjust aggressor.I didn't think you could support your ridiculous assertion about "numerical estimates of innocent lives" as coming from some outside authority.
That is not my position, but I do thank you for providing those links.I don't think you can be persuaded as it seems you are dug into the wrong notion that Israel is the unjust aggressor.
Bombing an ambulance or fleeing convoy of people, or apartment buildings pretending you targeted a hamas person is fiction. Totally imaginary.Hamas is real. They are not imaginary. Maybe that part of your problem.
I don't have a lot of problems with what you are saying here, however, I do rely on your fourth word 'IF', and having acknowledged that, then there is the sense of what is reasonable. You can not say Gaza is the target and that as Hamas is hiding there, the IDF has the right to kill everyone there. This really would just be another way of invalidating the rules of engagement. I am not saying it is easy, however, nobody gets a blank cheque.I think reasonable people understand why it is happening and that there isn't any other way. Not until someone invents a magic Has seeking bullet.
It doesn't matter if Hamas is living fighting and staging among them. If Hamas is there then Hamas is a legitimate military target and the citizens are acceptable collateral damage. That's why it's a war crime to hide and fight among civilians. In this case the civilians may be Hamas supporters, providing them support and shelter. While they may not be actively carrying a gun they are providing support of all kinds. The rules of war recognize this. If you have a rule like this and then tell the army you cannot hit a military target because their are non-combatants present you have nullified the rule and created a new rule that says it's okay to hide and fight from non-combatant locations and there are no consequences to anyone for doing that. You might as well not have the rule.
Blowing up civilians is not 'rules of war'.Nope rules of war. Hamas is the only barbarian here.
Yours is actually.Already been proven a false narrative.
Your argument is supporting terrorism.
Hamas grew from the camps one would think, as opposed to infiltrating them. Hamas is a tiny part of the whole population. Just as bank robbers are a tiny part of the population.They most definitely are if the Hamas infiltrates the camps.
Maybe some in the convoys Israel attacked were about to? We'll never know. Not sure why anyone in the right mind would 'run to the Israelis' though, since that is who is killing them wholesale.Were Palestinians running to the Israelis pointing out all the locations where Hamas is hiding and helping them take them out?
They can support Santa if they like. Not our business. In other words they hate their oppressor, Israel. How would they not? But as for supporting Hamas killing babies, I would be surprised if a majority supported that. (or that they even believed the version of events Israel put out about who did what)I don't believe I heard that. That would be a better way to help get rid of Hamas. Maybe it's because 70% of them.support Hamas.
Says who, IDF? I heard otherwise on other news services.Maybe, maybe not. If Hamas is there then it's not. And we heard from people that Hamas WAS at the hospital. So it's not a lie.
That is no logic at all. That is like saying if cockroaches were not there, the exterminator would not have nukes the neighborhood.Nope Hamas and their supporters did. It's an easy thing to prove. If Hamas wasn't there there would be no bomb.
Rules of was that you allude to without a source are all that is irrelevant here.That's your opinion. Opinion is irrelevant in this case. Because the rules of war say otherwise.
Hams hiding in a neighborhood somewhere does not make a neighborhood a Hamas position, sorry. Be honestNo it's reality. If Hamas is there then it's a Hamas position. It's illogical to say otherwise.
We all see your bias. It's pretty clear.
The Geneva Conventions permit civilian structures, including hospitals, schools, and religious centers, to be struck if any armed force is using them for any military purposes. In that case, the war crime is attributed to the military that's using them, not the military that struck them.Blowing up civilians is not 'rules of war'.
Yours is actually.
Hamas grew from the camps one would think, as opposed to infiltrating them. Hamas is a tiny part of the whole population. Just as bank robbers are a tiny part of the population.
Maybe some in the convoys Israel attacked were about to? We'll never know. Not sure why anyone in the right mind would 'run to the Israelis' though, since that is who is killing them wholesale.
They can support Santa if they like. Not our business. In other words they hate their oppressor, Israel. How would they not? But as for supporting Hamas killing babies, I would be surprised if a majority supported that. (or that they even believed the version of events Israel put out about who did what)
Says who, IDF? I heard otherwise on other news services.
That is no logic at all. That is like saying if cockroaches were not there, the exterminator would not have nukes the neighborhood.
Rules of was that you allude to without a source are all that is irrelevant here.
Hams hiding in a neighborhood somewhere does not make a neighborhood a Hamas position, sorry. Be honest
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