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How bad can it be? You get to celebrate the success of your screeds without having to trouble yourself to type them out or deal with responses to them.
That or so bad you can’t post your word salad here. You still get to gloat about its quality without the effort of typing it out.What do you mean "how bad can it be"?
That or so bad you can’t post your word salad here. You still get to gloat about its quality without the effort of typing it out.
Understood just fine. Hence you can only tell us how wonderful the salad will be not post it.OK. What part of "this specific forum ISN'T open for apologetics" (i.e. Bible Talk) don't you understand?
Understood just fine. Hence you can only tell us how wonderful the salad will be not post it.
That was God judging the wicked and protecting a believing nation, NO relation to unbelieving Israel today. Israel can no more use that as an excuse for terror than any other nation on earth canThe Bible also contains stories of killing everyone but the virgin girls among the POWs and taking those as spoils of war, not the best source to argue for pacifism from.
But it was a fine excuse for terror then or from a sufficiently "believing nation" now?That was God judging the wicked and protecting a believing nation, NO relation to unbelieving Israel today. Israel can no more use that as an excuse for terror than any other nation on earth can
I'm hoping no one here will dismiss these babies as mere collateral damage.The nurse in the besieged hospital was caring for five fragile babies. Infants, born premature, their parents’ whereabouts after a month of war unknown. Now he faced the most difficult decision of his life.
It was the height of Israel’s assault on northern Gaza last month, and al-Nasr Children’s Hospital was a war zone. The day before, airstrikes had cut off the Gaza City facility’s oxygen supplies. Israeli tanks had surrounded the hospital complex, and the Israel Defense Forces were calling and texting the doctors, urging them to leave.
But ambulances couldn’t safely reach al-Nasr to transport the wounded, and doctors refused to leave the facility without their patients.
The five premature babies were particularly vulnerable. They needed oxygen, and medication administered at regular intervals. There were no portable respirators or incubators to transport them. Without life support, the nurse feared, they wouldn’t survive an evacuation.
Then the IDF delivered an ultimatum, al-Nasr director Bakr Qaoud told The Washington Post: Get out or be bombarded. An Israeli official, meanwhile, provided an assurance that ambulances would be arranged to retrieve the patients.
The nurse, a Palestinian man who works with Paris-based Doctors Without Borders, saw no choice. He assessed his charges and picked up the strongest one — the baby he thought likeliest to bear a temporary cut to his oxygen supply. He left the other four on their breathing machines, reluctantly, and with his wife, their children and the one baby, headed south.
Two weeks later, the pause in hostilities allowed a Gazan journalist to venture into the hospital. In the neonatal intensive care unit, Mohammed Balousha made the awful discovery.
[details of the awful discovery which can be read in the WP article]
The grim discovery was a reminder of the harrowing civilian toll of Israel’s war to eradicate Hamas, a campaign that has spared neither hospitals nor children. Thousands have been killed.
According to a reporter for i24News, an army commander told her that at least 40 babies had been killed, some of them beheaded ... The report above was later quoted on social media, often referenced as “dozens of beheaded babies,” though sometimes it was “burnt babies” or “hanged babies.” For example, the Foreign Ministry published an account by Col. Golan Vach from the Home Front Command, who said that in one house he found the bodies of eight burnt babies ... Last week Ishay Coen, a journalist for the ultra-Orthodox website Kikar Hashabbat, interviewed Lt. Col. Yaron Buskila of the Israel Defense Forces's Gaza Division. Buskila talked about babies who had been hung on clotheslines; his remarks were cited by a host of Twitter personalities around the world. ...
Coen wrote that he was later informed that the story was inaccurate and deleted the post. “Why would an army officer invent such a horrifying story? I was wrong,” he added.
This story was false, but Hamas terrorists did desecrate corpses during the massacre, especially the bodies of soldiers. There were also beheadings and cases of dismemberment.
According to sources including Israel's National Insurance Institute, kibbutz leaders and the police, on October 7 one baby was murdered, 10-month-old Mila Cohen. She was killed with her father, Ohad, on Kibbutz Be'eri. ... According to the National Insurance Institute, five other children aged 6 or under were murdered, including Omer Kedem Siman Tov, 2, and his 6-year-old twin sisters Arbel and Shachar, who were killed on Kibbutz Nir Oz. There was also 5-year-old Yazan Zakaria Abu Jama from Arara in the southern Negev, who was killed in a Hamas rocket strike, and 5-year-old Eitan Kapshetar, who was murdered with his parents and his 8-year-old sister, Aline, near Sderot ... There is no evidence that children from several families were murdered together, rendering inaccurate Netanyahu’s remark to U.S. President Joe Biden that Hamas terrorists “took dozens of children, tied them up, burned them and executed them.” Still, there were many bound bodies ... The IDF Spokesperson’s Unit does not deny that Lt. Col. Buskila's remarks about babies strung up on clotheslines do not jibe with reality. It said: "The officer serves as a reservist operations officer. He arrived at a large number of scenes after the attack and saw many difficult sights as part of his duties. The details of the incident will be clarified with the officer, and it will be made clear to him that he should not describe events whose details are unclear and unofficial." ... As for Col. Vach’s remarks on the bodies of eight burned babies, the IDF Spokesperson’s Unit said he “described difficult sights that he saw during his various missions evacuating bodies at the start of the war. The review was conducted in English, and the officer used the word 'babies' to describe a number of children’s bodies that were found. The error was made in good faith and does not mitigate the severity of the atrocities committed." ...
Some of the incorrect descriptions were made by Zaka personnel; one repeatedly talked about 20 bound and burned bodies of children at a kibbutz. He told Haaretz that these were boys and girls between 10 and 15 found behind Kibbutz Kfar Azza's dining hall. Elsewhere, he said he saw 20 children from Kibbutz Be'eri laid next to each other and burned to death with their hands bound. This description does not conform to the list of the dead.
"caused by the years-long carpet-bombing of German cities"Do the WW2 figures refer to a single raid or raids that occurred over a long period?
Must have been a Hamas hijacked helicopter as the IDF would never fire on their own hostages as their intent is to preserve the life of non combatants and especially hostages. I await the IDF denial it was them with bated breathLeaked audio of heated meeting reveals hostages’ fury at Netanyahu
A female abductee freed with her children – but without her husband, who remains in captivity – is heard on one recording saying: “The feeling we had there was that no one was doing anything for us. The fact is that I was in a hiding place that was shelled and we had to be smuggled out and we were wounded. That’s besides the helicopter that shot at us on the way to Gaza.”
She adds: “You have no information. You have no information. The fact that we were shelled, the fact that no one knew anything about where we were… You claim that there is intelligence. But the fact is that we are being shelled."
According to the ynet account of the meeting, one man related what family members had told him after being freed. “They were under constant threat from the IDF shelling. You sat in front of us and assured us that it does not threaten their lives. They also roam the street and [are] not only in the tunnels. They are mounted on donkeys and carts. You will not be able to recognize them on the street and you are endangering their lives."
Sorry I missed that. I responded because I knew those 3 cities were subject to brutal one night bombing raids. I've deleted my post."caused by the years-long carpet-bombing of German cities"
It's true. This thread has been going a long time. I mentioned this quite some time ago. But I suppose you will be dismissed as I was.
War is war. Sometimes it's necessary. There is a time for war and a time for peace. This was a time for war and if you a w going to wage one, you better darn well win it.
No, it's not. Everyone knows how bad Hamas are. What people are doing is complaining about what Israel is doing and the only response we get is 'But Hamas is really bad'.
We know. There is no point in repeating it ad nauseum except as a reason to try to justify Israel's actions.
No, it's not. Everyone knows how bad Hamas are. What people are doing is complaining about what Israel is doing and the only response we get is 'But Hamas is really bad'.
We know. There is no point in repeating it ad nauseum except as a reason to try to justify Israel's actions.
Didn't belive Hamas. Didn't believe the Ministry of Health. Didn't believe the Red Cross. Didn't believe Medicine sans Frontiere. Will all those in the previous group like to say if they'll accept what Israel now says?
Who is going to start the countdown for any variation of 'But it's Hamas' fault.'
Yeah. We know! Everyone keeps reminding us of that but we know. But you kept denying the deaths. We kept telling you they were considered reasonably accurate. You didn't want to accept them. We kept saying they are not acceptable. But it's been fingers in the ears and 'La la la' all through the thread.
And check out the desperate phraseology: 'I'm not saying it's not bad...' Yeah, buddy. You're now on board with the rest of the world who have also been suggesting something along those lines, but more succinctly. More direct. With a little less use of the double negative. As in 'It is bad.'
Gaza workers expelled from Israel accuse Israeli authorities of abuse, including beatings
When the October 7 Hamas attack on Israel was first launched, Israeli media reported of initial fears that Hamas militants were among the workers with permits, although an Israeli security official later told CNN the men were detained for being in Israel illegally after their work permits were revoked, not for suspected terror activity.
Six human rights organizations in Israel have filed a petition to Israel’s High Court arguing these detentions were “without legal authority and without legal grounds.”
An Israeli security official told CNN that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) was aware of several incidents of “abuse” of Gazan workers by IDF soldiers.
When asked if any of the detainees died as a result of abuse, the official said that they were aware of two deaths of Gazan workers who were detained, but said these deaths were the result of chronic, long-term health issues these workers had before entering Israel, not the result of abuse.
Most workers from Gaza work in construction or agriculture.
Qatar condemns Israel’s claims about Hamas tunnel under Gaza hospital it funded
Qatar has condemned Israel for its allegations about the existence of a Hamas tunnel under Sheikh Hamad Hospital, which was funded by Qatar Fund for Development in northern Gaza, saying the claims were made “without any tangible evidence or independent investigation.”
“This is a blatant attempt to justify the occupation's targeting of civilian infrastructure, including hospitals, schools, residential areas, and shelters for displaced people,” the chairman of the Qatari Committee for the Reconstruction of Gaza Ambassador Mohammed El Emadi said in a statement on Monday.
70% of the 2 million people in Gaza are displaced with many living in inhumane conditions, UN agency says
"UNRWA shelters have reported thousands of cases of acute respiratory, skin infections, diarrhea, and chicken pox," the statement said.
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