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Because if a country kills all of the ”bad guys” the only “bad guys” left will be the one who killed all of the people.Why?
Responsibility lies with the person whose action caused the death. Your argument means you would declare the vigilante in the Death Wish films innocent. The law does not agree with you.Actually he died because hamas attacked, murdered and kidnapped Israeli citizens and the kid is now living in a war zone. Try pinning the blame where it belongs: hamas.
I'm sure the QR codes on the leaflets would help: Palestinians should learn to read them manually.Dozens feared dead after apparent strike destroys Gaza refugee camp building
The building was housing more than 100 displaced people from northern Gaza, according to Anas Ah-Sharif, a freelance journalist there.
The IDF did not immediately respond to CNN questions about the blast in the Jabalya refugee camp, which is Gaza's largest.
The IDF had urged residents of several northern Gaza neighborhoods to evacuate and move south of Wadi Gaza on Saturday. The warnings were issued in Arabic on social media, but it is not clear that residents were able to receive the messages because electricity, phone signals and internet access are often disrupted in Gaza.
I've just read a review of a book about My Lai. There were atrocities on both sides but what stood out was how the brave whistle blowers were vilified, how the perpetrators mostly got off scot free and were praised by many of the US public, and how the commanders covered up and suffered no loss including Colin Powell and how Nixon blamed adverse newspaper stories on New York Jews! The Vietcong were dehumanised as "gooks" and the author made the point that young men with automatic weapons do atrocities because they can: but that doesn't make it right or ok or excusable in any way.We cannot have a reasonable discussion when people are making arguments that are beyond ridiculous - how can we take anyone seriously who effectively argues that no matter how excessive Israel's response might be, all the deaths of Gazans are the moral responsibility of Hamas.
That, franky, is inane.
Imagine a scenario where Canada is a mighty military power and the US is much, much weaker. Now imagine that some American terrorists, whose base of operations is in Manhattan, sneak into Canada and brutally murder thousands. Imagine that Canada then firebombs Manhattan, arguing, legitimately, that the terrorists are hiding out under various Manhattan skyscrapers. And thousands and thousands of innocent Americans die.
Would you then argue "it's the fault of the terrorists"?
We all know the answer.
Hey, look at that: a derogatory term not censored by this board.I've just read a review of a book about My Lai. There were atrocities on both sides but what stood out was how the brave whistle blowers were vilified, how the perpetrators mostly got off scot free and were praised by many of the US public, and how the commanders covered up and suffered no loss including Colin Powell and how Nixon blamed adverse newspaper stories on New York Jews! The Vietcong were dehumanised as "gooks" and the author made the point that young men with automatic weapons do atrocities because they can: but that doesn't make it right or ok or excusable in any way.
Hamas is responsible. Consider the case where someone starts shooting people at a mall. The shooter is ducking behind a desk when firing and is holding a hostage in front of him, but you can't see the hostage. You, whether citizen or police officer, shoot and kill the shooter and unfortunately the hostage as well. You have committed no crime.Responsibility lies with the person whose action caused the death. Your argument means you would declare the vigilante in the Death Wish films innocent. The law does not agree with you.
I guess you can't see any of the children from 20,000 feet. So that makes it ok.Hamas is responsible. Consider the case where someone starts shooting people at a mall. The shooter is ducking behind a desk when firing and is holding a hostage in front of him, but you can't see the hostage. You, whether citizen or police officer, shoot and kill the shooter and unfortunately the hostage as well. You have committed no crime.
The filter doesn’t automatically censor, or at least it didn’t used to, slurs like that even the one for North Koreans which is explicitly prohibited in one of the pinned rules threads.Hey, look at that: a derogatory term not censored by this board.
I believe the filter can be configured. If I'm right, this is just a term the PTB didn't think to add to the list.The filter doesn’t automatically censor, or at least it didn’t used to, slurs like that even the one for North Koreans which is explicitly prohibited in one of the pinned rules threads.
Do you think it would be justifiable for a police officer or private citizen to kill 10 to 15 people and wound 30 more in the process of killing the mall shooter?Consider the case where someone starts shooting people at a mall. The shooter is ducking behind a desk when firing and is holding a hostage in front of him, but you can't see the hostage. You, whether citizen or police officer, shoot and kill the shooter and unfortunately the hostage as well. You have committed no crime.
Only if the shooter had 10 to 15 people tied up on the floor unknown to the police officer or private citizen. What if the shooter killed the hostages first, should the citizen or police officer be held responsible?Do you think it would be justifiable for a police officer or private citizen to kill 10 to 15 people and wound 30 more in the process of killing the mall shooter?
Are you simply going to keep change the scenario until it seems less brutal? You started off saying that if you couldn't see a single hostage then blazing away is just fine. I think we'll stick with that as an accurate representation of the current situation.Only if the shooter had 10 to 15 people tied up on the floor unknown to the police officer or private citizen. What if the shooter killed the hostages first, should the citizen or police officer be held responsible?
While we know what the terrorists did, we don't have an accurate assessment as to who and how many have been killed in Gaza nor as to the circumstances surrounding their deaths.Are you simply going to keep change the scenario until it seems less brutal? You started off saying that if you couldn't see a single hostage then blazing away is just fine. I think we'll stick with that as an accurate representation of the current situation.
As your analogy relies on the fact that innocent people died because, well, no-one could see them, then it admits to innocent people being killed in actuality in the case that the analogy is meant to represent. Now that you've realised that, your escape clause is now the accuracy of the numbers and not the fact of those deaths?While we know what the terrorists did, we don't have an accurate assessment as to who and how many have been killed in Gaza nor as to the circumstances surrounding their deaths.
Nope, just stating what we know and what we don't know. Obviously if Hamas said there were zero innocents killed, and said only Hamas and those who support Hamas were killed, their propaganda campaign would fall apart.As your analogy relies on the fact that innocent people died because, well, no-one could see them, then it admits to innocent people being killed in actuality in the case that the analogy is meant to represent. Now that you've realised that, your escape clause is now the accuracy of the numbers and not the fact of those deaths?
I'm not blaming you in particular. This has been the standard of argument for the last 1400 posts.
I've know people reject analogies before when they thought they contradicted one's position. I've not known anyone reject their own for the same reason...Nope, just stating what we know and what we don't know.
we do not know what we do not know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what we don't know
Well, I don't know about that.we do not know what we do not know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The U.S. simply needs to publicly urge Israel to continue to avoid the loss of life of innocents, and remain silent on how Israel should proceed--that should be entirely up to Israel.The United States put the blame on Hamas after Israeli military forces resumed bombarding the Gaza Strip with airstrikes, an end to a weeklong pause in fighting.
The White House said Friday that Hamas failed to deliver a list of hostages the militant group would release. Meanwhile, Israel and Hamas presented conflicting narratives about why the truce ended.
US blames Hamas for end of truce; Israel resumes airstrikes in Gaza Strip: Live Updates
Shortly after a seven-day truce between Israel and Hamas expired, combat resumed in full force.www.yahoo.com
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