Israel-Hamas Thread II

[civilwarbuff]

I hadn't heard that they promised that. Interesting. Although during wartime, I'm not sure a promise should be relied on. Plus, did they say specifically Mossad wouldn't do it? They're the most famous, but there are other branches of the "intelligence" community. We might even speculate that the very top notch group is one we've never heard of.

In the shadow of the ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas War and the deal to release the hostages from the captivity of genocidal terrorist group, mediated by Qatar and Egypt, French journalist Georges Malbrunot of "Le Figaro" reported from his sources that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pledged to Qatar that Israel would not act against the leaders of Hamas living in Qatar.

According to the French report, Qatar received assurances from Israel that the Mossad would not carry out assassinations in the country, and that "Doha presented its precondition to Israel a few weeks ago, before assuming its role as a mediator in the abductee issue."

Israel will not assassinate Hamas leaders in Qatar, Netanyahu tells Doha

According to a source privy to the details, Netanyahu has already ordered the Mossad to assassinate senior Hamas officials.

www.jpost.com

 

[durangodawood]

No different than US intel failing to spot 9/11 in time. Intel has to be lucky 100% of the time. Terrorists only have to be lucky once.

Oct 7 was thousands of hamas militants doing incursions on that day - from right next door - where its been known for years that theryre dedicated to the destruction of Israel. Plus 3000 missiles etc etc.

The scale of activity preceding this event is not comparable to 9-11, and apparently Israelis are furious their intel missed it in way Americans never were re 9-11.

 

[Carl Emerson]

7% of the time.


The odds are clearly not in Israel's favor.

The odds were not in Israels favour in previous wars.

 

[JosephZ]

The odds were not in Israels favour in previous wars.

Isreal wasn't able to defeat hezbollah in 2006.

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[rjs330]

"The Israeli Intelligence Community is arguably the best in the world..." ...even though they failed to spot large, coordinated attack being planned on their own doorstep.

I suspect it's like how Russia has the 2nd army in the world.

I don't know if they are the best or not. That may be debatable. I'm not sure how you measure that exactly. But even if you were the best that doesn't mean your are perfect. It seems like there is a lot of perfection being demanded of Israel these days. Kind of ridiculous.

 

[rjs330]

Hamas only received 44.45% of the vote in 2006, but it gave them a majority of 74 seats in the 132 seat Palestinian Legislative Council at that time. Hamas expelled the Palestinian Authority and Fatah in a violent takeover in 2007 and took control of Gaza.

Hamas gunmen seized military control of the Gaza Strip on Thursday, executing Fatah rivals and provoking the collapse of their power-sharing Palestinian Authority government.

As Fatah’s last security command centers fell after four days of fighting, Hamas military men in black masks moved unchallenged across Gaza City, hunting down foes, blowing up homes and dragging the body of a top Fatah militant through the streets.

Firing mortars, grenade launchers and automatic weapons, Hamas fighters captured the Gaza City headquarters of the Preventive Security, Intelligence and National Security agencies Thursday afternoon, and executed some of their captives. The Presidential Guard compound fell late in the evening. All were controlled by Fatah.

Earlier in the day, Hamas overran the main Fatah compound in the southern city of Rafah, giving it full control of the border with Egypt, a source of the smuggled weapons that have expanded the movement’s arsenal in recent months.

Hamas fighters overran the headquarters amid mortar rounds and gunfire. They raised green Hamas flags over the shattered two-story compound, kneeled to the ground in prayer and marched handcuffed Fatah gunmen into the streets, some shirtless or in their underwear.

Hamas wins the battle for Gaza control

With his Fatah forces driven from the strip, Abbas dissolves the Cabinet but the Islamist premier vows to stay.

www.latimes.com

Do you think that absolves all of them from the issue? They elected them, period. They got enough votes to get in and then they decided to get rid of the opposition. Happens in a lot of places. Then Palestinians LOVED Hamas' stance on Israel and overwhelmingly supported their agenda against them. That makes 75% of them supporters of Hamas' campaign against Israel. Which is the crux of the problem.

 

[rjs330]

Elected once. With thousands of Hamas fighters under arms (backed by Iran), how do you propose the citizens of Gaza resist?

I guess we just throw up our hands. We can't do anything. We are just stuck with what we chose. Give up it over no chance. Oh Israel is going to attack us because our government chose to attack them and we all supported this? I guess we will have to deal with the consequences of our actions and inaction. There are 2 million people who live there. I guess out of that 2 million there could have been some that could have done something but didn't.

Secondly why should they when 1.5 of them supported Hamas' campaign against Israel. That leaves a very few number who were against this type of action.

My question, was it worth it? Should you maybe have found a way? Apparently so.

 

[rjs330]

Well, they promised the Qatari govt that Mossad would not assassinate hamas leadership in Qatar. That doesn't mean they can't do it someplace else or get someone not affiliated with Mossad to do it in Qatar.

Well that was kind of a dumb promise.

 

[Chesterton]

In the shadow of the ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas War and the deal to release the hostages from the captivity of genocidal terrorist group, mediated by Qatar and Egypt, French journalist Georges Malbrunot of "Le Figaro" reported from his sources that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pledged to Qatar that Israel would not act against the leaders of Hamas living in Qatar.

According to the French report, Qatar received assurances from Israel that the Mossad would not carry out assassinations in the country, and that "Doha presented its precondition to Israel a few weeks ago, before assuming its role as a mediator in the abductee issue."

Israel will not assassinate Hamas leaders in Qatar, Netanyahu tells Doha

According to a source privy to the details, Netanyahu has already ordered the Mossad to assassinate senior Hamas officials.

www.jpost.com

I'm confused. You provided me with three links. The first one says nothing about what you claim, and the second two say the opposite of what you claim.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Isreal wasn't able to defeat hezbollah in 2006.

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The war wasn't lost, it was a stalemate...

 

[Yahudim]

Hi Everyone!

I hope the participants in this thread don't mind if I interject a little 'old news' into 'current events' for some biblical perspective. While this is a controversial topic, it becomes a little more understandable with some context.

Ben Shapiro does a pretty good job of simplifying this very complex contemporary topic from the Jewish perspective. Recently, a new perspective has been circulating from Seth Fleishman, claiming the Palestinians originated from European sources. (<= I don't buy it...)

From the other side we might review any number of sources that claim Israel is an occupying force with no claim to the land and have brutally subjugated the Palestinian people. You may wish to go to Al Jazeera for their historical perspective. And for a secular context, one might even recommend, How Britain Started the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

However, as you might have guessed, I have a different take and it is rooted in scripture and the ancient historical record. It is fairly simple and it is a story as old as time.

We are all familiar with the story of Cain and Abel, two brothers locked in a feud. How many remember another pair of feuding brothers, Jacob and Esau? Their stories share a great number of similarities. The short version is, one walked with the Lord and the other fought against Him and His Chosen. I won't bore you with the details, but I would like to remind you of a few important items:

1. Many prophets predicted end time events concerning the destruction of Esau (Edom) by Jacob (Israel) including Obadiah, Isaiah, Amos,
2. The Edomites (Idumeans) were living in Judea at the time of the Messiah (Such as King Herod the Idumean)
3. Romans ejected the Jews but allowed the Edomites to remain
4. The land ceased to prosper and trade all but stopped, so the Romans lost their tax base and therefore their interest in Judea

There are some Christian sources that believe that Edom is no longer an identifiable group. That seems contrary to the assertions of the Prophets - that Edom is associated with the end times and with Israel.

15 For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.

17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.

18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it.

19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead.

20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.

21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.

We are witnessing supernatural End Time events. Esau still wants Jacobs' inheritance. Don't get so caught up in political narratives that you lose sight of the mighty hand and outstretched arm of our Father in Heaven and His soon coming Son, our Savior.

Blessings and Peace!

 

[Desk trauma]

We are witnessing supernatural End Time events. Esau still wants Jacobs' inheritance. Don't get so caught up in political narratives that you lose sight of the mighty hand and outstretched arm of our Father in Heaven and His soon coming Son, our Savior.

It’s totes gonna happen this time!

 

[Robban]

IDF was also preoccupied with protecting settler land grabs in the West Bank.

What is there to say?

If asked I would say, it goes back to Abraham and Lot

When there was arguing and strife between Abraham's sheherds and Lot's shepherds.
Abraham told his shepherds that they must respect their neighbors borders and fences.
Lot told his shepherds do not restrict the flocks, let them graze where they will, the land is promised to us, so why wait?


Said Abraham to Lot, "Yes, the land is promised to us, but not yet"

Abraham not being the argumentive type told Lot,
"However, you choose first Lot, if you go to the west I will go to the east, if you go to the east I will go to the west."

But this is just what I would say, not that it makes any difference to anything, just something I bear with me.

I do not believe in peace by force.

 

[Abraxos]

Breaking: Hebrew Channel 13: Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu requested a meeting with the family of an Israeli captive who was released from Gaza, but his request was rejected.

Bro handshake
A kiss goodbye
The hostages were more worried about dying from their own country than Hamas

In other news, an IDF officer who claimed to have seen murdered babies, a "line of lifeless Israeli infants displayed on a clothesline." Not even the Saw movies fantasized about this level of violence and now been exposed as another lie.
The reason it was retracted is that Haaretz, an Israeli publication, numbered and identified the victims, and only one baby was among those killed (baby Mila Cohen) in the October 7 attack.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1729754389005406237

Paid Hasbara need to work overtime.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I'm confused. You provided me with three links. The first one says nothing about what you claim, and the second two say the opposite of what you claim.

The jpost is the link I posted. The others were just embedded in the story.

 

[wing2000]

My question, was it worth it? Should you maybe have found a way? Apparently so.

I would pose that question to prior PLO leaders who failed to negotiate a state for their people in 2000. They chose violence over compromise.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Breaking: Hebrew Channel 13: Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu requested a meeting with the family of an Israeli captive who was released from Gaza, but his request was rejected.

Bro handshake
A kiss goodbye
The hostages were more worried about dying from their own country than Hamas

In other news, an IDF officer who claimed to have seen murdered babies, a "line of lifeless Israeli infants displayed on a clothesline." Not even the Saw movies fantasized about this level of violence and now been exposed as another lie.
The reason it was retracted is that Haaretz, an Israeli publication, numbered and identified the victims, and only one baby was among those killed (baby Mila Cohen) in the October 7 attack.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1729754389005406237

Paid Hasbara need to work overtime.

Is this fake news or what ???

 

[JosephZ]

Israel and Hamas agreed on Thursday to extend the ceasefire in their war by at least one more day, minutes before the six-day truce was due to expire.

Israel-Hamas truce will continue, release of more hostages sought

Israel and Hamas agreed on Thursday to extend the ceasefire in their war by at least one more day, minutes before the six-day truce was due to expire.

www.reuters.com

 

[Bradskii]

Israel and Hamas agreed on Thursday to extend the ceasefire in their war by at least one more day, minutes before the six-day truce was due to expire.

Israel-Hamas truce will continue, release of more hostages sought

Israel and Hamas agreed on Thursday to extend the ceasefire in their war by at least one more day, minutes before the six-day truce was due to expire.

www.reuters.com

Unless someone does something remarkably stupid, then this will continue.

 

[rjs330]

Breaking: Hebrew Channel 13: Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu requested a meeting with the family of an Israeli captive who was released from Gaza, but his request was rejected.

Bro handshake
A kiss goodbye
The hostages were more worried about dying from their own country than Hamas

In other news, an IDF officer who claimed to have seen murdered babies, a "line of lifeless Israeli infants displayed on a clothesline." Not even the Saw movies fantasized about this level of violence and now been exposed as another lie.
The reason it was retracted is that Haaretz, an Israeli publication, numbered and identified the victims, and only one baby was among those killed (baby Mila Cohen) in the October 7 attack.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1729754389005406237

Paid Hasbara need to work overtime.

This is the junk you get when you use anti-Israel propaganda falsities on X. It's full of this stuff.