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Gee, thanks for the heads up. So luckily no civilians have been killed then. And no children dead.The target is Hamas not the civilians.
Gee, thanks for the heads up. So luckily no civilians have been killed then. And no children dead.
Oh, but wait. There have been. Thousands. So noting that the target of Israeli action is not not civilians is a complete waste of time.
If you want to excuse yourself from what you might determine as being 'fruitful dialogue' in that we discuss the death toll and how to stop it increasing then that is your call.Given that you present as and arch cynic there seems little likelihood of fruitful dialogue.
If you want to excuse yourself from what you might determine as being 'fruitful dialogue' in that we discuss the death toll and how to stop it increasing then that is your call.
And if you want to label someone who is horrified at the human tragedy unfolding and wants to seek a means whereby it can be stopped as a 'cynic' then be my guest. Be prepared for a lot of cynicism being exhibited by all reasonable people across the world. Maybe you won't be too worried about that as there is no likelihood of you needing to have any 'fruitful dialogue' with them either.
Calling out Israel's crimes is not equating them to Hamas; it's holding our ostensible allies to a higher standard.To put Israel on the same plane as Hamas is despicable. Period.
Are you representing civilwarbuff?All lives matter. If a patient pulls a machine gun and tries to kill other patients or Israelis, tragically, the life of the patient must be taken in order to protect innocent lives.
This is the major problem with this thread. Anyone who dares stands up and argues 'the price is too much, the death toll is too great' isn't met with a rebuttal of the argument itself. They are simply denigrated as a shill for Hamas. As an enemy of Israel. As someone who would equate the nation of Israel with a bunch of terrorists.To put Israel on the same plane as Hamas is despicable. Period.
It's quoted in #738 but you wrote "I answered it in #738" This means you think you wrote #738 but you did not write #738. I think you need to revise your basic English comprehension.Actually, my answer is in #738......please pay attention.....but maybe my expectations are getting too high......
Some more basic English comprehension:And everyone who did so did it after the fact.....because they weren't read into that program. Do your homework and skip the cliff notes......
Here Eisenhower describes his opposition before the bomb was dropped. Are you alleging that Eisenhower was lying?President Dwight Eisenhower, the Allied commander in Europe during World War II, recalled in 1963, as he did on several other occasions, that he had opposed using the atomic bomb on Japan during a July 1945 meeting with Secretary of War Henry Stimson: "I told him I was against it on two counts. First, the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing. Second, I hated to see our country be the first to use such a weapon."
And you can't state explicitly that the lives of Palestinians matter. Why is that?I made my statement; you just can't accept the answer.
"Defending itself" has morphed into the unnecessary mass murder of as many Gazans as possible while keeping the support of the US.The question then becomes is Israel justified in defending itself against Hamas. I think that they would be condemned if they did not.
Do you know nothing of history? There never was any Palestine for a start. The region was controlled by the Roman empire, by the Muslims, then the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans lost control at the end of WW1. It was then administered by the British. The UN approved a plan for two states, Israel and Palestine. Israel declared independence in May 1948. It was completely legal. So no, Israel did not get a pass. They had the right to be where they were. The original territory they were supposed to enjoy was much reduced, courtesy of British betrayal and double dealing. FYI, I'm English so I'm not biased.I think that Israel declaring “statehood” was taken as a provocation…but it’s Israel, so they “get a pass”?
Fine. What do you suggest? I've asked every Israel critic this question. No one has a clue how to resolve the problem. Tell me how Israel defeats Hamas without Gazan civilian casualties? Hamas cares less about Gazans than Israel does. Why pick on Israel? Russia has been killing Ukraine's civilians for over 18 months. Where is the outrage? Syria? Uses chemical weapons on its own citizens. Somehow Israel is held to an impossible standard while the rest of the world has little to say about other conflicts."Defending itself" has morphed into the unnecessary mass murder of as many Gazans as possible while keeping the support of the US.
You are living in an alternate reality. I support Israel's right to defend itself. You do not. No, I can't conceive of a better option for Israel. If I did, I'd be on the phone to Netyanahu. But to condemn Israel and not have an alternative is ridiculous. That's the Greta Thunburg approach. "Just stop it". The real world does not work like that.It's not that I should need one. It's the very fact that there is more than one option! And you don't get to wait for me to suggest any number of possible solutions just so that you can enjoy dismantling each and any one for whavever specious reasons you'd like to employ.
To ask 'What are the other options' is almost to admit that you can't conceive of any that doesn't result in a massive numbers of civilian deaths. You could suggest any other but you prefer the current one. Which has resulted in the deaths of some 4,000 children. In what kind of world do you live in where that is the best option available? Do you want to admit that it's not the best? Or that it is?
If it is then say It plainly. That the deaths don't matter, only the end result. If it's an option that you don't want, and surely no sane person wants these deaths, then supply an alternative. Or at leasr call a halt until you can think of one.
Higher does not mean impossible. And that is what is demanded of Israel.Calling out Israel's crimes is not equating them to Hamas; it's holding our ostensible allies to a higher standard.
No, Hamas pushes Gazans into danger. That's even more despicable.The children did not jump in front of the car. The car drove in and mowed them down. Not only them but apparently some of the Israeli hostages as well.
So, you want Israel to go to your option 2 but don't have a clue as to what that could be? Thank you for giving us a fine example of the difference between rant-rave criticism and constructive criticism.You honestly can't think of one? C'mon, give it your best shot. Let's run a few of your ideas up the flagpole and we'll see who salutes it. Then you can be the one that everyone ridicules for even suggesting that there is another option other than 'raze the place to the ground.' Because as sure as God made little green apples, any suggestion will be met with 'So, you think that X is just that simple'.
Give it a go. See how many times it gets shot down. It'll be interesting.
To put Israel on the same plane as Hamas is despicable. Period.
This is the major problem with this thread. Anyone who dares stands up and argues 'the price is too much, the death toll is too great' isn't met with a rebuttal of the argument itself. They are simply denigrated as a shill for Hamas. As an enemy of Israel. As someone who would equate the nation of Israel with a bunch of terrorists.
You are living in an alternate reality. I support Israel's right to defend itself. You do not. No, I can't conceive of a better option for Israel. If I did, I'd be on the phone to Netyanahu. But to condemn Israel and not have an alternative is ridiculous. That's the Greta Thunburg approach. "Just stop it". The real world does not work like that.
Please stop your theatrics and just answer an honest question.It's not that I should need one. It's the very fact that there is more than one option! And you don't get to wait for me to suggest any number of possible solutions ...
I provided a summary on how Israel can defeat Hamas in this post a few weeks ago. Below are some higlights:I've asked every Israel critic this question. No one has a clue how to resolve the problem.
There will always be a risk of civilian casualties when fighting a terrorist group, as is to be expected. However, Israel's relentless bombardment of Gaza and the staggering death toll as a result has gone far beyond what is reasonable.Tell me how Israel defeats Hamas without Gazan civilian casualties?
There has been plenty to say about other conflicts. Here are a couple of threads where members of this forum have criticized Russia and Syria.Russia has been killing Ukraine's civilians for over 18 months. Where is the outrage? Syria? Uses chemical weapons on its own citizens. Somehow Israel is held to an impossible standard while the rest of the world has little to say about other conflicts.
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