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Does this mean that you agree with post #2704?Leave the judging to Jesus rather than trying to find fault with others. Situations under heavy fire can be difficult and you yourself may have done the same thing in a similar situation. When dealing with jihadists hesitation could get your comrades killed.
No, it is only an accusation and the IDF, as it should, is investigating.The point still stands. They shot unarmed people carrying a white flag. It was a criminal act ...
‘Do You Have Another Solution?’ Israeli Ambassador to the UK Gives Stunning Response When Interviewer Says She Made Case for ‘Destroying the Whole of Gaza’
Ambassador Hotovely]: One of the things we realized – that every school, every mosque, every second house has an access to [a] [Hamas] tunnel. So this is– and of course– and ammunition.
DALE: But that’s an argument for destroying the whole of Gaza — every single building in there.
HOTOVELY: So, do you have another solution
It must be such a relief knowing that everything in Gaza is a legitimate target; there's no way to make mistakes!
Palestinians are also semitic.Of course, antisemites would prematurely jump to the conclusion "war crime" before the evidence is in.
It's not 'only an accusation.' The IDF has admitted the fact. And some of you guys crack me up. If it's pointed out that some of the Israeli actions are so lacking in care for innocent lives that they have actually shot their own people and it's 'anti Semetism'. But the unthinking knee jerk support of literally anything Israel does soaks these threads.No, it is only an accusation and the IDF, as it should, is investigating.
Of course, antisemites would prematurely jump to the conclusion "war crime" before the evidence is in.
What's telling is the lengths people go to just to find three guys guilty of war crimes, implying they are representative of Israel. Over a thousand Israelis were butchered, women raped, babies killed, people tortured. Jewish students are being threatened and too many on the hard left see no problems with that. What kind of people dance in the streets over the killing of babies and elderly? And what should be done with them?It's not 'only an accusation.' The IDF has admitted the fact. And some of you guys crack me up. If it's pointed out that some of the Israeli actions are so lacking in care for innocent lives that they have actually shot their own people and it's 'anti Semetism'. But the unthinking knee jerk support of literally anything Israel does soaks these threads.
Can we agree that in this present conflict/time there are no “good guys”?What's telling is the lengths people go to just to find three guys guilty of war crimes, implying they are representative of Israel. Over a thousand Israelis were butchered, women raped, babies killed, people tortured. Jewish students are being threatened and too many on the hard left see no problems with that. What kind of people dance in the streets over the killing of babies and elderly? And what should be done with them?
Castigate them for it. But don't allow what some do to act as an excuse not to blame others for what they do. It's a schoolyard argument.What's telling is the lengths people go to just to find three guys guilty of war crimes, implying they are representative of Israel. Over a thousand Israelis were butchered, women raped, babies killed, people tortured. Jewish students are being threatened and too many on the hard left see no problems with that. What kind of people dance in the streets over the killing of babies and elderly? And what should be done with them?
What is your point? Or are you just trying to be clever?Palestinians are also semitic.
Exactly what fact is that? John accidentally killed Joe does not immediately conclude a murder occurred. Get a grip, man.The IDF has admitted the fact.
Nobody said they were murdered. But the IDF itself said that the fact of the matter had been that they had killed hostages outside the rules of engagement.Exactly what fact is that? John accidentally killed Joe does not immediately conclude a murder occurred. Get a grip, man.
There ya go, @o_mlly, we didn't have to wait long, did we. A great example. Didn't even have to put any thought into it either. Just cut and paste from umpteen other previous posts saying exactly the same thing. Oh, and throw in a line about wanting to show that all Israelis are murdering war criminals. Got to crank the rhetoric up to make these points, eh?What's telling is the lengths people go to just to find three guys guilty of war crimes, implying they are representative of Israel. Over a thousand Israelis were butchered, women raped, babies killed, people tortured. Jewish students are being threatened and too many on the hard left see no problems with that. What kind of people dance in the streets over the killing of babies and elderly? And what should be done with them?
It is not about being clever, it is about the language and how we use it.What is your point? Or are you just trying to be clever?
This is precisely the types of things that happen during war. That does not absolve the individuals involved. The IDF's rules of engagement forbade this action. So it's not the IDF's fault in general. It's the fault of the I dividual soldiers who made the mistake. The soldiers violated the rules set forth by the army. And they should answer for it. Just like you can't blame the entire US Army for that again s if I dividual soldiers in WWII OR Afghanistan.Again, just making excuses. Which you would never do if the situation was reversed. You won't admit that they were wrong when even the IDF admits it.
From here:
IDF mistakenly killed 3 Israeli hostages in Gaza. This is what we know so far.
Three hostages, presumed to have escaped or been abandoned by Hamas, had a white flag with them when they were killed Friday.www.nbcnews.com
'Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi said Saturday the killing of three Israeli hostages was “a difficult and painful event.”
“I think the three hostages did everything possible so that we would understand — they moved around shirtless so that we wouldn’t suspect them of carrying explosives and they held a white cloth, but the tension overcame all of the above,” Halevi continued, adding “the shooting at the hostages was against the rules of engagement” and that it is “forbidden to shoot at someone who raises a white flag and seeks to surrender.”
No we cannot. There are bad guys, Hamas and good guys the Israelis. Have some Israeli soldiers screwed up during the prosecution of the war? Probably. That doesn't make the Israelis a bad guy.Can we agree that in this present conflict/time there are no “good guys”?
The binomial proposition presented here is simply not adequate to discuss the conflict at hand. Nobody in the conflict is either all good or all bad. If this is the basis of your analysis then you simply have an outcome-driven argument. That lacks any intellectual integrity and in my view is unworthy of this forum. This is about the ancient and significant need to belong, to have a homeland, and there are very good arguments on both side for both sides, and there is a long history stretching back no doubt before The Assyrian came down like a wolf on the fold ... The last 75 years have been increasingly tense on both sides, and there are bystanders who want to make this go on for their own purposes.No we cannot. There are bad guys, Hamas and good guys the Israelis. Have some Israeli soldiers screwed up during the prosecution of the war? Probably. That doesn't make the Israelis a bad guy.
Are all the Palestinians bad guys? No, but you are certainly no good guy if you are dancing in the streets, celebrating the murder of Jews, driving their bodies around in pick up trucks and smacking the dead with boards. You are no good guy if you supported the murders.
I suggest you look up the definition of "antisemitism" for starters.It is not about being clever, it is about the language and how we use it.
How is it that you are self-appointed as jury and judge of these soldiers? The investigation is still underway, but the "judge" has already ruled, "Guilty!" How do you know that the IDF soldiers intentionally shot Israeli hostages? You don't. Why not wait for the investigation to be completed? Well, I guess it's because it is the rational thing to do.Three men who appeared to be no threat at all and were even carrying a white flag were shot intentionally.
Do you not accept intellectually the fact that the Hamas' attack on Oct. 7, 2023 was an unjust aggression? Are all unjust aggressions evil acts?The binomial proposition presented here is simply not adequate to discuss the conflict at hand. Nobody in the conflict is either all good or all bad. If this is the basis of your analysis then you simply have an outcome-driven argument. That lacks any intellectual integrity and in my view is unworthy of this forum.
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