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After reading through some of these arguments, I just thought I would chip in my personal point of view.

1. If war is evil, did God not lead Israel into the promised land by invasion? Did he not fight for the Israelites, often killing many of its enemies Himself, more than Israel killed with the sword? Did the Israelites often kill EVERY ONE of their enemies, including women and children?
2. When Jesus returns, in our Bible does it not say "and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war."? I understand that this is the war of good vs evil, but Jesus will hardly arrive with the turn the other cheek attitude.

I personally believed that God has blessed America more than any other nation in history. This land was "stolen" from the natives by greedy, white, European men. However, it was also founded by religious refugees who wanted religious freedom, the freedom to practice religion without the corrupt government involvement, and they succeeded. Although this nation has changed dramatically over the years, and in my opinion not for the better, for the time being we are still one nation, under God, and His plan is being carried out as He sees fit.

While as Christians I don't believe we are to be violent people, I also do not believe that we are supposed to sit on our hands and do nothing when our neighbors need help. People can argue about the reasons for the war day and night forever. The only people who will ever know the truth are a select few in Washington, and God Himself. Whatever the reason, I do know that Saddam Hussein was responsible for murdering HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of his own people. He tortured for enjoyment, intimidated, raped, etc. He established himself as a God, and left the entire country with no other alternative. Oppose Saddam? Wind up in a torture chamber with your whole family buried in the sand.
War for oil? I don't see how. Personal vendetta against Saddam for trying to kill George Bush I? Maybe. We will never know. What I do know is that the Iraqi people ARE BETTER OFF. People who were only fed the propaganda of a ruthless dictator, will now have the opportunity to hear the truth. They will now have the opportunity to hear the Word of God. It is very terrible that innocent people have died. However, at least they are not dying because of the heavy hand of Saddam. Troops are probably killing innocent civilians. However, how many troops of ours have died because they were fooled by an "innocent civilian" who happened to have a bomb strapped to his body? Unfortunately, terrorists play dirty, and that leads to more civilian casualties. Don't blame the troops people. The war is much more difficult than most of us thought, but in the long run, I think all will be able to say that the Iraqi people are better off without Saddam Hussein in power.
 
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Birdman23 said:
After reading through some of these arguments, I just thought I would chip in my personal point of view.

1. If war is evil, did God not lead Israel into the promised land by invasion? Did he not fight for the Israelites, often killing many of its enemies Himself, more than Israel killed with the sword? Did the Israelites often kill EVERY ONE of their enemies, including women and children?
>snip<.

So then war be evil and also your God's tool for whatever geo-political goals God likes.
 
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My personal opinion is that war is not evil, in fact it is necessary for Man kind to continue in technological growth, as well as economical growth. Almost everything you see around you had it's beginning's because of The military, and the military is a necessity to prevent war, or to win war. Why, we would still be wearing sheep skins if it wasn't for war. War is what got the world out of the 1920's Great Depression, Even though bad choice's for the treaty of Versaille caused the Great Depression. I have studied that time era greatly in school, three of five years so far have had it. I dont know if you knew this, but because President Bush Sr. didn't take out Iraq, God put us through eight years of Bill Clinton. Then after god was done punishing the USA, he put George W. Bush into office, to finish what his father started.

I will also go as far as to say that if China does not repent by the year of 2010, and turn from her wicked ways, The United States, being used by The Lord Almighty, shall invade China, and free the captives there.

God has used wicked leaders and invaders to attack his people, as a way of making them turn back to him, It happened when the Assyrians invaded Samaria, when Babylon conquered Judah. But God also uses the Righteous to put down the wicked, like when he had the U.S. join WWII, and when he had the U.S. attack Iran, under Bush Sr., and Now Iraq under Bush Jr.
 
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I hate say it cuz it is so very not nice but after reading Beaus post
one of my reactions was; I sure hope he gets the opportunity to
experience first hand, up close, and personal some of that good Godly war.
I fully expect he will want to go all the way with combat arms, forget those support jobs. Right Beau...
If you can boost the economy and help any of my investments that would be real nice too.
 
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Beau said:
My personal opinion is that war is not evil, in fact it is necessary for Man kind to continue in technological growth, as well as economical growth. Almost everything you see around you had it's beginning's because of The military, and the military is a necessity to prevent war, or to win war. Why, we would still be wearing sheep skins if it wasn't for war. War is what got the world out of the 1920's Great Depression, Even though bad choice's for the treaty of Versaille caused the Great Depression. I have studied that time era greatly in school, three of five years so far have had it. I dont know if you knew this, but because President Bush Sr. didn't take out Iraq, God put us through eight years of Bill Clinton. Then after god was done punishing the USA, he put George W. Bush into office, to finish what his father started.

I will also go as far as to say that if China does not repent by the year of 2010, and turn from her wicked ways, The United States, being used by The Lord Almighty, shall invade China, and free the captives there.

God has used wicked leaders and invaders to attack his people, as a way of making them turn back to him, It happened when the Assyrians invaded Samaria, when Babylon conquered Judah. But God also uses the Righteous to put down the wicked, like when he had the U.S. join WWII, and when he had the U.S. attack Iran, under Bush Sr., and Now Iraq under Bush Jr.
Alot of this appears to be jibberish, so I would like you to clarify. How did the Treaty of Versaille cause the Depression? How was America punished under Clinton? Why would God stop punishing? You are just using hindsight to prove your "explanations." What does China need to repent for? What makes you think the U.S. will invade China in 2010 if ever? What kind of school do you go to? Apparently you do not believe in freewill, and thus your whole argument for God being righteous is pretty much destroyed.
 
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Beau said:
My personal opinion is that war is not evil, in fact it is necessary for Man kind to continue in technological growth, as well as economical growth. Almost everything you see around you had it's beginning's because of The military, and the military is a necessity to prevent war, or to win war. Why, we would still be wearing sheep skins if it wasn't for war. War is what got the world out of the 1920's Great Depression, Even though bad choice's for the treaty of Versaille caused the Great Depression. I have studied that time era greatly in school, three of five years so far have had it. I dont know if you knew this, but because President Bush Sr. didn't take out Iraq, God put us through eight years of Bill Clinton. Then after god was done punishing the USA, he put George W. Bush into office, to finish what his father started.

I will also go as far as to say that if China does not repent by the year of 2010, and turn from her wicked ways, The United States, being used by The Lord Almighty, shall invade China, and free the captives there.

God has used wicked leaders and invaders to attack his people, as a way of making them turn back to him, It happened when the Assyrians invaded Samaria, when Babylon conquered Judah. But God also uses the Righteous to put down the wicked, like when he had the U.S. join WWII, and when he had the U.S. attack Iran, under Bush Sr., and Now Iraq under Bush Jr.
Great post, Beau; I totally agree with you!
 
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daidhaid said:
I hate say it cuz it is so very not nice but after reading Beaus post
one of my reactions was; I sure hope he gets the opportunity to
experience first hand, up close, and personal some of that good Godly war.
I fully expect he will want to go all the way with combat arms, forget those support jobs. Right Beau...
If you can boost the economy and help any of my investments that would be real nice too.
I spent five years in the US Army infantry, 11Bravo.

So how does that give me the right to speak on issue but not Beau?

You are apparently uninterested in thinking this issue through clearly.
 
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I hate say it cuz it is so very not nice but after reading Beaus post
one of my reactions was; I sure hope he gets the opportunity to
experience first hand, up close, and personal some of that good Godly war.
I fully expect he will want to go all the way with combat arms, forget those support jobs. Right Beau...
If you can boost the economy and help any of my investments that would be real nice too.
Yes, I am planning on joing the Air Force as an Officer, and either becoming a fighter(not bomber) pilot, or going into Spec Ops. If I can have two things said of me when I die be, it would be,
1) I was a Man after God's heart, and
2) I did my duty to Country.
 
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Alot of this appears to be jibberish, so I would like you to clarify. How did the Treaty of Versaille cause the Depression? How was America punished under Clinton? Why would God stop punishing? You are just using hindsight to prove your "explanations." What does China need to repent for? What makes you think the U.S. will invade China in 2010 if ever? What kind of school do you go to? Apparently you do not believe in freewill, and thus your whole argument for God being righteous is pretty much destroyed.
When the Nations decided to make Germany and italy suffer for WWI, they were too harsh on them, which caused them to go into depression. Because of the harsh treatment, instead of offering assistance to rebuild them after the war, America had an over stock of certain things, which I am not exactly sure about, but this caused the Great Depression.

God is a righteous God,(Not to mention the only real one) but he also is merciful, and has always given second chances. if he didn't give second chances, Jesus wou;dn't have come.

The atrocities China is committing against the Believers there, is astronomical, as even carrying a Bible in China, is like carrying Pot or Marijauna in the USA. That, and the fact that china is Communism. Communism does not allow Freedom of Religion.

Now the 2010 thing with china is a gut instinct, you might say. I am Charismatic, so I believe in the Prophetic anointing, and God speaking verbally to us, and to us through people about things that have happened, are happening, and will happen.

I am Homeschooled, And use Alpha and Omega's Switched On SchoolHouse curricullum.

I do believe in freewill, but I also believe that God has set rules down for Our Safety. If we are to enjoy our freedom, we must not abuse it, and break the rules. The Left thinks that freedom is from votes by numbers, when it is actually comming from what is law. You are free to drive almost wherever you want, as long as you follow the laws of the land. If you disobey these laws, then you must deal with the consequences.

Anarchy is not Freedom!
 
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rglencheek said:
I spent five years in the US Army infantry, 11Bravo.

So how does that give me the right to speak on issue but not Beau?

You are apparently uninterested in thinking this issue through clearly.

if it's important 11B
I was a 91B for 6 yrs.
Do you want to drag out our boots and fatigues and check for mud.

your rights an Beaus rights to speak are not questioned.
His opinions may be scoffed at surprise surprise.
He is a big boy with God on his side.
If you want to agree with him by all means do so,
Consider yourself scoffed at as well.
Collect your blessing in heaven.

As for, considering the issue clearly.
I'm sorry but that statements to ill formed to merit a sarcastic response.
 
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daidhaid said:
if it's important 11B
I was a 91B for 6 yrs.
Do you want to drag out our boots and fatigues and check for mud.

your rights an Beaus rights to speak are not questioned.
His opinions may be scoffed at surprise surprise.
He is a big boy with God on his side.
If you want to agree with him by all means do so,
Consider yourself scoffed at as well.
Collect your blessing in heaven.

As for, considering the issue clearly.
I'm sorry but that statements to ill formed to merit a sarcastic response.
Good lord! Talk about jibberish! You broke the mold, there ole Daidhead.

And the Bible makes it quite clear what good scoffers are, thank you.
 
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rglencheek said:
Good lord! Talk about jibberish! You broke the mold, there ole Daidhead.

And the Bible makes it quite clear what good scoffers are, thank you.

Good Lord ?
All colloquialism aside, the thing you might want to consider about my reference to scoffers is; the bible really makes it clear that scoffing will occur and is to be expected.
I'm not alone in thinking some pronouncements silly, so I scoff.
Since you are forwarned about scoffers in your bible you can relax and wait for the blessing in heaven.
The end result for scoffers is undetermined. You may be hoping for some after-life drama but well I'll be scoffing at that too.
 
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Deacon said:
No war isn't evil, its neccessary. If you think you can live in a peaceful earth then I would like to hvae some of whatever you are smoking...cause it has to be mighty good.

Here's the deal; In this world a thing, like a war, can be evil and neccessary. The lines blur there are unforseen consequences etc...
Things can also be evil and un-neccessary.
The first is unfortunate but for some reason needs to be. Peace should still be the ultimate goal.
The second is always wrong and should be resisted.

Do I think I can live in a peaceful world?
I'd like to give it a try, but I know that until the root causes of war are weakened and eliminated, war will be the option of choice for many.
As long as people are comfortable killing for God, world peace will be a dream.
That doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't try for peace here and now.
Just as wars are not usually won by sitting idle.
Peace will not be achieved by sitting idle.
Both require effort,,, wage war or wage peace.

Supposedly your God created us in his image.
To say God wants us to wage war or war is part of human nature seems more like an excuse than a reason.
 
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daidhaid said:
Here's the deal; In this world a thing, like a war, can be evil and neccessary. The lines blur there are unforseen consequences etc...
Things can also be evil and un-neccessary.
The first is unfortunate but for some reason needs to be. Peace should still be the ultimate goal.
The second is always wrong and should be resisted.

Do I think I can live in a peaceful world?
I'd like to give it a try, but I know that until the root causes of war are weakened and eliminated, war will be the option of choice for many.
As long as people are comfortable killing for God, world peace will be a dream.
That doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't try for peace here and now.
Just as wars are not usually won by sitting idle.
Peace will not be achieved by sitting idle.
Both require effort,,, wage war or wage peace.

Supposedly your God created us in his image.
To say God wants us to wage war or war is part of human nature seems more like an excuse than a reason.
You make it sound like God has never waged war.

Freedom is not free...

The country you are living in, under God, was created by war. So ultimatly you are still standing for war simply due to the fact you living in the spoils of the war, and the cause.

If people do not like war, then I tell them to buy a piece of land in canada and make residence there, cause if they are against war, then they have no right be standing on american ground.

Thats just my opinion.

Unless they have a way that the war could have been prevented and still have all the liberty that we have.
 
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