Isn't war evil?

[12volt_man]

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[HighlyEvolved]

No reason to bring our forces in??? Tell that to the father that had to watch his children being raped and tortured by government officials, probably for speaking ill of his ruthless dictator.

Tell that to the families of people who were whole-sale slaughtered at the whim of a pair of insane sons.

People amaze me; no matter what America does for the greater good of this miserable planet, people from second-rate countries will always be jealous...



You speak so glibbly but are you not british? I seem to remember a Mr. Tony Blair who sent just as many troops to do the exact same thing in Iraq as President Bush did? Oh, but the British are too prim and proper to remember that I suppose? I guess Britian was completely within thier rights in the Fauklands? or Northern Ireland?

What is that saying about glass houses and stones?


Well that is your first problem and explains your 'worldly' view of events...

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!

1. 10,000 iraq civilians have been killed as of earlier this month, say the most accurate source of statistics. The people of iraq did not ask for invasion and were under attack for fear their leader might have nukes, which he hadnt. To see the country in a shambles and bordering on a civil war, with many more casualties and deaths foreseeable, how can anyone defend bush's 'war first solutions later' policy..."oh, oh it was actually to free the people, isnt freedom a lovely thing la di da..."

2. So i'm british therefore i should support blair? contrary to american popular opinion, things dont work like that in the rest of the world. nobody in spain supported the involvement of spanish troops either (something like 95% of the population).

3. without reading the bible, i think i have a clearer window with which to observe and evaluate most things. i have a realistic perspective not a theological one.

 

[12volt_man]

1. 10,000 iraq civilians have been killed as of earlier this month, say the most accurate source of statistics.

And yet, despite having been asked three times, you can't provide a source for these numbers. Interesting.

how can anyone defend bush's 'war first solutions later' policy

And yet, having been asked a couple of times before, you don't have an alternative, nor have you been able to explain why thirteen years of UN appeasement didn't work.

"oh, oh it was actually to free the people, isnt freedom a lovely thing la di da..."

But no one has claimed thet the war was to free the Iraqi people. That was a wonderful side benefit of the war, but it was not even in the top five reasons for the war.

2. So i'm british therefore i should support blair?

Support him or not, it's none of our business but you might try minding your own.

without reading the bible, i think i have a clearer window with which to observe and evaluate most things. i have a realistic perspective not a theological one.

But you haven't evaluated things clearly. You've thrown out casualty numbers that you can't back up and you're condemning the use of force, but you can't provide an alternative and you refuse to acknowledge that the previous thirteen years did nothing to help the situation in Iraq, stop Saddam, or stop terrorism, tyranny and brutality in that part of the world.

The only thing the UN's lack of moral courage has done is to turn the UN into a toothless lion, nothing more than in international debating society.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

War is bad, but just because something is bad doesn't mean it is evil, just like how somethings are good but yet they may not be holy.

War is necessary.

 

[crashedman]

War is bad, but just because something is bad doesn't mean it is evil, just like how somethings are good but yet they may not be holy.

War is necessary.

Interesting quote. But if God creates everything and SAYS IT IS GOOD, how dare we affront God by calling it unholy?

War is always started by what is known as 'GREED', and in the Bible it states it is disobedience to God because it is a form of idolatry. Case closed!


Crashedman

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

Interesting quote. But if God creates everything and SAYS IT IS GOOD, how dare we affront God by calling it unholy?

War is always started by what is known as 'GREED', and in the Bible it states it is disobedience to God because it is a form of idolatry. Case closed!


Crashedman

So when God told the jews to invade cannan it was because of greed? Never heard that one before.

What about liberation? Freedom of persecution? Self Defense?

those are greed?

Also: Things that we as humans consider good may not be holy. Sorry about my wording, I should have been more detailed.

 

[daidhaid]

So when God told the jews to invade cannan it was because of greed? Never heard that one before.

What about liberation? Freedom of persecution? Self Defense?

those are greed?

Also: Things that we as humans consider good may not be holy. Sorry about my wording, I should have been more detailed.

Stealing another groups land and killing people for not being in your tribe. Then laying it off on God while you reap the stolen bounty...
Sounds like there might be some greed in there somewhere.

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

Stealing another groups land and killing people for not being in your tribe. Then laying it off on God while you reap the stolen bounty...
Sounds like there might be some greed in there somewhere.

When God tells me to do something, I do it. Considering Cannan was techincally "theirs" already, it wasn't greed.

 

[daidhaid]

When God tells me to do something, I do it. Considering Cannan was techincally "theirs" already, it wasn't greed.

so when God tells you to love your enemies and do good to those who despitefully use you?
that would technically be after you killed and stole what was theirs but was actually yours, technically.
It is very convienent to have a technical God.

 

[Reader Nilus]

One will not find in the Gospel any call for war at all. In the New Covenant there is no place for war. Love your enemies does not mean to take a gun and shoot them.
Jeff the Finn

 

[12volt_man]

so when God tells you to love your enemies and do good to those who despitefully use you?
that would technically be after you killed and stole what was theirs but was actually yours, technically.
It is very convienent to have a technical God.

It's also very conveient on your part to take a verse that was speaking specifically of Christ's followers facing persecution for their faith and apply it across the board.

But then, without taking scripture out of context, you guys wouldn't have an argument, would you?

 

[12volt_man]

One will not find in the Gospel any call for war at all. In the New Covenant there is no place for war. Love your enemies does not mean to take a gun and shoot them.
Jeff the Finn

I guess the obvious questions here would be (a), if this is true, then why did Jesus tell His disciples to go and buy swords, (b) why, when Peter cut off the soldier's ear, did Jesus rebuke Him for His lousy timing and not for the act of cutting the guy's ear off, itself and (c) how do you exaplain the Biblical teaching that the government is ordained to "wield the sword to punish evildoers"?

 

[daidhaid]

Welcome to the Taliban Baptist Church
punishing evildoers For Jesus since the Reformation

 

[daidhaid]

It's also very conveient on your part to take a verse that was speaking specifically of Christ's followers facing persecution for their faith and apply it across the board.

But then, without taking scripture out of context, you guys wouldn't have an argument, would you?

The olde out of context thing again.
or as I like to put it the pot calling the kettle black.
I suppose that the Beatitudes would also fail to impress on you that Jesus might actually prefer us to go out on an olive branch once in awhile.
As John Prine would say.
"Jesus don't like killing no matter what the reasons for, and your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore".

All that aside, since killing in Gods name is not at all unpalatable to so many Christians, you folks should consider combat arms. There is just enough room in an infantry rucksack to carry a bible.

 

[SiteCR2]

My ruck always has a bible.
My weapon loaded ready to do what is necessary
and radio dialed to call in an air strike.

I believe in God and Jesus.

So based on some of the stuff i've read above this I'm evil?

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

One will not find in the Gospel any call for war at all. In the New Covenant there is no place for war. Love your enemies does not mean to take a gun and shoot them.
Jeff the Finn

Just because the new covenant doesn't say something doesn't mean abolish what the old covenant has to say. They are both legit due to their fullfillment.

 

[daidhaid]

My ruck always has a bible.
My weapon loaded ready to do what is necessary
and radio dialed to call in an air strike.

I believe in God and Jesus.

So based on some of the stuff i've read above this I'm evil?

gee sarge gettin' kinda old to hump the radio aren't ya.
As to your evilness only the shadow knows.
it is war that has been called evil in here so far as I see it.

 

[12volt_man]

Welcome to the Taliban Baptist Church
punishing evildoers For Jesus since the Reformation

Another example of your having taken scripture out of context to meet your own agenda.

This passage is clearly speaking of the government, not the church. It even prefaces it by saying "the government".

The olde out of context thing again.

Yes. You took an instance where Jesus is speaking to His followers about a specific circumstance and you've applied it across the board, when it does not apply across the board.

You did it again when you took Paul's comments, which were clearly about the government (as I pointed out, it even says "the government", just so that there will be no confusion) and applied it to the church.

or as I like to put it the pot calling the kettle black.

OK. Feel free to show what I have taken out of context.

I suppose that the Beatitudes would also fail to impress on you that Jesus might actually prefer us to go out on an olive branch once in awhile.

Please demonstrate for us where Jesus, in the Beatitudes, says that a nation does not have the right to make war.

As John Prine would say...

I love John Prine. I have most of his albums and I've seen him in concert several times (most recently a few months ago with Todd Snider at the Tower Theater in Philly). When it comes to songwriting, he's among the best. When it comes to matters of doctrine, his opinion means little.

My first, my only authority is scripture.

All that aside, since killing in Gods name is not at all unpalatable to so many Christians,

Is this thread about "killing in God's name"? I don't know of anyplace in scripture where Christians are called to kill in God's name and I haven't heard any of the Christians here suggest that it does.

you folks should consider combat arms.

Many of us have served in the military. How about you?

 

[daidhaid]

well as a matter of fact I did serve as a medic.
6 years almost all that in combat arms as a grunt.
won't count the reseve time since the reserves were still a bogus hangout to avoid combat just ask George about that
Saw combat casualties in two countries.
Combat in Nam with 2nd plt. Bravo Co 1/22 Inf attached to 1st FF 71
My old platoon is in Iraq. now.

 

[HighlyEvolved]

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