Isn't this a form of witchcraft?

[New_Wineskin]

How? witchcraft is all about control and rebellion, how is this anything like that? Of how do you define the characteristics of witchcraft?

The way that you would - incantations and rituals using natural elements to elicit specific supernatural results .

 

[FoundInGrace]

Sometimes not always. that's where the spirit of God within us bearing witness comes in at I promise it's not ALL evil. to generalize it all to make sound like it is. Is in reality calling evil good and good evil. Be careful doing that.

Obviously, and I am careful not to do that. (perhaps read my other posts in this thread to see that I am careful to try and be discerning not jump one way or the other without good reason)

 

[~RENEE~]

Some are right, it was indeed done at least once in the scriptures. The key to that was that God actually healed people with the cloth.

If there is no healing, it wasn't from God.

If the person providing the cloth stated it is annointed, and it wasn't an annointing from God resulting in the healing, that leaves few remaining choices.

1. That person flat out lied, and there is no annointing.
2. There is a real annointing, but not one from God. Rather a gift from the other team.

Sad thing is, even if there is a healing, it still doesn't prove it's from God. Then you have to judge the message of the person providing the cloth. If they teach the scriptures correctly, good deal, if they do not, and actually lead away from the clear revelation of the gospel, then they are also from the other team.

And if it's not from God, avoid the person who provided it, basically forever.

2003 I had a miscarriage and was given a prayer cloth from the church as I was very very sick. End of 2004 I found that cloth in a desperate move I stood in my home office (what would end up becoming my son's bedroom) with the doctor's report of you can not have a child your health is to poor and you are getting to old ringing in my ear I stripped naked and rubbed that thing all over my body while telling God I wanted one child. 3 months later we found out about Cecil. Yes God uses what we do not understand.

 

[~RENEE~]

Obviously, and I am careful not to do that. (perhaps read my other posts in this thread to see that I am careful to try and be discerning not jump one way or the other without good reason)

FIG the OP is generalizing it all as witchcraft in so doing he is calling it ALL evil, CALLING EVIL GOOD AND GOOD EVIL What does the Bible say about doing that?

 

[HisW0rd]

2003 I had a miscarriage and was given a prayer cloth from the church as I was very very sick. End of 2004 I found that cloth in a desperate move I stood in my home office (what would end up becoming my son's bedroom) with the doctor's report of you can not have a child your health is to poor and you are getting to old ringing in my ear I stripped naked and rubbed that thing all over my body while telling God I wanted one child. 3 months later we found out about Cecil. Yes God uses what we do not understand.

Yes but it wasn't the cloth that gave you the ability to get pregnant, it was your faith

 

[HisW0rd]

FIG the OP is generalizing it all as witchcraft in so doing he is calling it ALL evil, CALLING EVIL GOOD AND GOOD EVIL What does the Bible say about doing that?

I said SOME churches not ALL churches, please stop this because its becoming a little bit ridiculous

 

[HisW0rd]

Some are right, it was indeed done at least once in the scriptures. The key to that was that God actually healed people with the cloth.

If there is no healing, it wasn't from God.

If the person providing the cloth stated it is annointed, and it wasn't an annointing from God resulting in the healing, that leaves few remaining choices.

1. That person flat out lied, and there is no annointing.
2. There is a real annointing, but not one from God. Rather a gift from the other team.

Sad thing is, even if there is a healing, it still doesn't prove it's from God. Then you have to judge the message of the person providing the cloth. If they teach the scriptures correctly, good deal, if they do not, and actually lead away from the clear revelation of the gospel, then they are also from the other team.

And if it's not from God, avoid the person who provided it, basically forever.

I understand what everyone is saying, I am just trying to say that SOME are WRONG and I am being accused of calling God evil which is beyond ridiculous. I called the gentleman about prayer. None of his numbers were available. He called back this morning saying that one a recorded message saying God wanted to bless you with a financial blessing and if you want to receive this blessing call this number. So my mom called the number and he said that if she gives him 28 dollars he will release this blessing to her. What is that about?

 

[~RENEE~]

http://www.victorylifechurch.org/pdf/prayer_cloths.pdf

 

[FoundInGrace]

FIG the OP is generalizing it all as witchcraft in so doing he is calling it ALL evil, CALLING EVIL GOOD AND GOOD EVIL What does the Bible say about doing that?

I dont know where you read that in the OP.

 

[New_Wineskin]

I dont know where you read that in the OP.

Yes ... the OP was a question . It made no accusation one way or another . People responding have said "yes" , "no" , "could happen" , and assorted .

 

[New_Wineskin]

I understand what everyone is saying, I am just trying to say that SOME are WRONG and I am being accused of calling God evil which is beyond ridiculous. I called the gentleman about prayer. None of his numbers were available. He called back this morning saying that one a recorded message saying God wanted to bless you with a financial blessing and if you want to receive this blessing call this number. So my mom called the number and he said that if she gives him 28 dollars he will release this blessing to her. What is that about?

It would be interesting to know how the amount was determined . It would be sickening no matter how it was determined - but interesting .

 

[Always in His Presence]

When some churches tell you to receive a prayer cloth so you can rub on it and feel on it to get Gods anointing????

What church told you to get a cloth, was it a command or an offer?

 

[Frogster]

What church told you to get a cloth, was it a command or an offer?

but a desperate person who is ill, can hear such a powerful promise wielded by those who "offer" the cloth, that in a subjective sense, it is a command, because one is made to feel that without the cloth, one will not gain what is being offered in the sale/donation of the cloth. Often young sheep are after all, hearing a "Bible teacher" so he must be right, he is a preacher, pastor, evangelist etc.

So no, maybe not commanded, all while commanded.

rib-it.