Isn't poverty...

tadoflamb · Jun 30, 2010

My son, rob not the poor man of his livelihood; force not the eyes of the needy to turn away.

A hungry man grieve not, a needy man anger not; Do not exasperate the downtrodden;

delay not to give to the needy. A beggar in distress do not reject; avert not your face from the poor.

From the needy turn not your eyes, give no man reason to curse you;

For if in the bitterness of his soul he curse you, his Creator will hear his prayer. (Sirach 4:1-6)

tadoflamb · Jun 30, 2010

If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well," but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it? (James 2:15-16)

Fireinfolding · Jun 30, 2010

tadoflamb said:
My son, rob not the poor man of his livelihood; force not the eyes of the needy to turn away.

A hungry man grieve not, a needy man anger not; Do not exasperate the downtrodden;

delay not to give to the needy. A beggar in distress do not reject; avert not your face from the poor.

From the needy turn not your eyes, give no man reason to curse you;

For if in the bitterness of his soul he curse you, his Creator will hear his prayer. (Sirach 4:1-6)

Isaiah 58:7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

James 2:15-16 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Mat 25:44 Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

When did not do it unto the least of these

Duet 15:7 If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother:

1John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

Duet 7:8 But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth.

2Cr 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

DD2008 · Jun 30, 2010

Proverbs 21:25 KJV
[25] The desire of the slothful killeth him; for his hands refuse to labour.

tadoflamb · Jun 30, 2010

"Give alms from your possessions. Do not turn your face away from any of the poor, and God's face will not be turned away from you. (Tobit 4:7)

Fireinfolding · Jun 30, 2010

1Titus 6:18-19 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

tadoflamb · Jun 30, 2010

Give to the one who asks of you.. (Matthew 5:42)

Fireinfolding · Jun 30, 2010

Prov 19:17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.

Luke 14:13 Butwhen thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

tadoflamb · Jun 30, 2010

Fireinfolding said:
1Titus 6:18-19 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

I like that one.

tadoflamb · Jun 30, 2010

1 1 Come now, you rich, weep and wail over your impending miseries. 2 Your wealth has rotted away, your clothes have become moth-eaten, 3 your gold and silver have corroded, and that corrosion will be a testimony against you; it will devour your flesh like a fire. You have stored up treasure for the last days. 4 Behold, the wages you withheld from the workers who harvested your fields are crying aloud, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. 5 You have lived on earth in luxury and pleasure; you have fattened your hearts for the day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned; you have murdered the righteous one; he offers you no resistance.
(James 5:1-6)

Fireinfolding · Jun 30, 2010

Jerm 22:16 He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him: was not this to know me? saith the LORD.

1John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

1John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Fireinfolding · Jun 30, 2010

tadoflamb said:
1 1 Come now, you rich, weep and wail over your impending miseries. 2 Your wealth has rotted away, your clothes have become moth-eaten, 3 your gold and silver have corroded, and that corrosion will be a testimony against you; it will devour your flesh like a fire. You have stored up treasure for the last days. 4 Behold, the wages you withheld from the workers who harvested your fields are crying aloud, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. 5 You have lived on earth in luxury and pleasure; you have fattened your hearts for the day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned; you have murdered the righteous one; he offers you no resistance.
(James 5:1-6)

Luke 12:21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

Luke 12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

We are going good here Tad

sunlover1 · Jun 30, 2010

DD2008 said:
One in need is key...

One who is lazy and slothful should not be rewarded for his laziness:

2 Thessalonians 3:10 KJV
[10] For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

Great point and one that could also be a stumbling block.
Trying to decide if someone is "worthy" of my charity is not an easy job and
so I leave that up to God now.
I might feel someone is 'lazy' and so should do without but we can't see
all sides of the story so sometimes we might miss a blessing for someone
by looking with our physical eyes.

kwim?

If you see someone in need...
help them out!

And then , along with that hand out, give them the good news!
Next time they'll be right along side of you paying it forward

tadoflamb · Jun 30, 2010

Fireinfolding said:
Luke 12:21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

Luke 12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

We are going good here Tad

You're finding some treasures.

tadoflamb · Jun 30, 2010

sunlover1 said:
Great point and one that could also be a stumbling block.
Trying to decide if someone is "worthy" of my charity is not an easy job and
so I leave that up to God now.
I might feel someone is 'lazy' and so should do without but we can't see
all sides of the story so sometimes we might miss a blessing for someone
by looking with our physical eyes.

kwim?

If you see someone in need...
help them out!

And then , along with that hand out, give them the good news!
Next time they'll be right along side of you paying it forward

Thank goodness God doesn't look at my 'worthiness' before pouring His mercy out on me.

DD2008 · Jun 30, 2010

I think people take advantage of charity. I do not believe the government should be in the charity business. That should be left up to the church. Governmental meddling encourages laziness.

Fireinfolding · Jun 30, 2010

You can run it this way and see some similiar comparisons

Mat 6:19-20 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

1Ti 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Luke 12:15 Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Luke 12:21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

Prov 13:7 There is that maketh himself rich, yet hath nothing: there is that maketh himself poor, yet hath great riches.

God is not unrighteous to forget

Mark 12:44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

Rev 2:9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich)

2Cr 8:2 How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.

Fireinfolding · Jun 30, 2010

DD2008 said:
I think people take advantage of charity. I do not believe the government should be in the charity business. That should be left up to the church. Governmental meddling encourages laziness.

Could be but he still says

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you

tadoflamb · Jun 30, 2010

DD2008 said:
I think people take advantage of charity. I do not believe the government should be in the charity business. That should be left up to the church. Governmental meddling encourages laziness.

I guess so. It's pretty hard to take advantage of our little charitable organization. We can discern the scammers pretty quickly. I believe the church should be involved with charity as well. There's a reason our Lord wants us to be with the poor.

Fireinfolding · Jun 30, 2010

tadoflamb said:
You're finding some treasures.

You too, its nice to see you digging into scripture, we do well on the back and forth with that wouldnt you say?

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