Islamophobia.

[ecco]

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Why call them radicals? They are believers in their holy scripture, that is not radical. I prefer the term Islamist Fundamentalists.​

First off "Islamist Fundamentalists" is a contradiction in terms.

Please explain.

Even the term 'fundamentalist' is problematic when applied to Islam.

Please explain.

And the acts which we find reprehensible are certainly not Qur'anic.

Sure they are. Many verses have been posted in this thread.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

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In this respect, the Koran is no different from the Bible which has it's own share of advice on how to deal with its enemies.

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."(Numbers 31:16-18)
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[Hank77]

Those are not my words or thoughts. look to this post

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/islamophobia.7918828/page-11#post-68907523

I sincerely apologize, I was mistaken.

I would like to point out that what God said to the Israelites was for the Israelites to do to a very select group of people, in a very small portion of land.
Neither the Father or the Christ ever commanded Christians to kill other people who would not convert to Christianity.

Mohammad, was a very different kind of man when compared to Jesus and taught a very different way of dealing with people that didn't agree with their teachings. Mohammad took others lives, Jesus gave His life.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I sincerely apologize, I was mistaken.

I would like to point out that what God said to the Israelites was for the Israelites to do to a very select group of people, in a very small portion of land.
Neither the Father or the Christ ever commanded Christians to kill other people who would not convert to Christianity.

Mohammad, was a very different kind of man when compared to Jesus and taught a very different way of dealing with people that didn't agree with their teachings. Mohammad took others lives, Jesus gave His life.

Although there have been Christians to take lives "in the name of Christ, but that is not what he taught. He did say that He did not come to bring peace, but that was because He KNEW that people would hate His followers.

 

[Hank77]

Although there have been Christians to take lives "in the name of Christ, but that is not what he taught. He did say that He did not come to bring peace, but that was because He KNEW that people would hate His followers.

I think He meant more than that. What He taught to the Apostles and they would teach to the Jews and Gentiles would bring discord among families and friends of both Jews and Gentiles.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I think He meant more than that. What He taught to the Apostles and they would teach to the Jews and Gentiles would bring discord among families and friends of both Jews and Gentiles.

That is what I am saying. People will hate the followers and as a result there will be issues.

 

[bhsmte]

Although there have been Christians to take lives "in the name of Christ, but that is not what he taught. He did say that He did not come to bring peace, but that was because He KNEW that people would hate His followers.

Hate is a strong term, but now that you mention it, there will always be certain groups of people, who hate those who have different faith beliefs then themselves. We even see it within Christianity, will the battles that go on between denominations.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Lindsay Graham is an idiot. Christians (or Christian nations) are not to take in the enemies of Jesus, we are to kill them (see Luke 19:27). And it is clear from the France assault that the enemies of Jesus are imbedding themselves with the Muslim refugees. Anyone with any common sense would not advocate letting them into our nation.

I am not sure if there is really a such as a "Christian nation".

 

[smaneck]

Canada's PM is insane, and so is Obama. The majority of US voters have common sense and don't want the US to accept any more Muslims. If Obama goes against the will of the people, he should be impeached.

No, if he goes against the Constitution he should be impeached. And discriminating against Muslims is unconstitutional.

 

[Hank77]

That is what I am saying. People will hate the followers and as a result there will be issues.

Yes, some will hate, but I think hate may be too strong a word in many cases. I have a friend who is Jewish by birth, and is a Christian, his Jewish family does not hate him but they just cannot agree. They have worked hard on both sides to be respectful of each other without compromising their beliefs. It takes love to overcome the discord.

 

[smaneck]

The difference is, Jesus is the Son of God and blesses Christian nations with superior weapons

You're joking, right?

 

[dogs4thewin]

No, if he goes against the Constitution he should be impeached. And discriminating against Muslims is unconstitutional.

Not if there are OTHER reasons behind it. Such as being afraid of their MOTIVE based on where they came from.

 

[smaneck]

Poe alert.

That's what I was wondering . . .

 

[dogs4thewin]

Yes, some will hate, but I think hate may be too strong a word in many cases. I have a friend who is Jewish by birth, and is a Christian, his Jewish family does not hate him but they just cannot agree. They have worked hard on both sides to be respectful of each other without compromising their beliefs. It takes love to overcome the discord.

oh I see what you mean. It does not have to be just out and out hate.

 

[smaneck]

Not if there are OTHER reasons behind it. Such as being afraid of their MOTIVE based on where they came from.

Sorry, but fear has never been a justification for violating the Constitution.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Sorry, but fear has never been a justification for violating the Constitution.

However, the constitution also provides that the federal government protect the citizens. In addition, as long as we took no one from a given area that would have nothing to do with whether he or she is a Muslim.

 

[smaneck]

I agree. I found a new respect for him due to his comment.

What I want to know is when did old white southern politicians like Lindsay Graham and Thad Cochran (who I voted for in the last election) become the 'moderates'?

 

[smaneck]

And then there is this:

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/syrian-civil-war-guide-isis/410746/

Syria’s conflict has devolved from peaceful protests against the government in 2011 to a violent insurgency that has drawn in numerous other countries. It’s partly a civil war of government against people; partly a religious war pitting Assad’s minority Alawite sect, aligned with Shiite fighters from Iran and Hezbollah in Lebanon, against Sunni rebel groups; and increasingly a proxy warfeaturing Russia and Iran against the United States and its allies. Whatever it is, it has so far killed 220,000 people, displaced half of the country’s population, andfacilitated the rise of ISIS.​

Sadly, that is all true. Obama has tried to limit our interventions to the aerial bombing and drone attacks . It hasn't worked real well. And one thing he, like other presidents, don't understand is that Muslims regard aerial bombing as an act of terrorism, much more cowardly than suicide attacks.

 

[JustOneWay]

I sincerely apologize, I was mistaken.

I would like to point out that what God said to the Israelites was for the Israelites to do to a very select group of people, in a very small portion of land.
Neither the Father or the Christ ever commanded Christians to kill other people who would not convert to Christianity.

Mohammad, was a very different kind of man when compared to Jesus and taught a very different way of dealing with people that didn't agree with their teachings. Mohammad took others lives, Jesus gave His life.

No worries...
I agree. I get a kick out of the militant Jesus followers.

 

[Hank77]

Sorry, but fear has never been a justification for violating the Constitution.

You do realize that the Constitution is only law as it pertains to people who are legally in this country.

Syrian refugees who have not been legally allowed into this country do not have the protections of the Constitution. That is why they can be detained in confinement areas even though they have not committed any other crime besides illegal entry.

Whatever would make you think otherwise?

 

[smaneck]

Neither the Father or the Christ ever commanded Christians to kill other people who would not convert to Christianity.

Neither did Muhammad call for the killing of people who did not want to convert. He called for the killing of those who were persecuting Muslims and kicking them out of their homes.

Mohammad, was a very different kind of man when compared to Jesus and taught a very different way of dealing with people that didn't agree with their teachings. Mohammad took others lives, Jesus gave His life.

You totally misunderstand what is at stake. Again, Muhammad never authorized the killing of people just because they didn't agree with His teachings. But unlike Jesus, as governor of Medina He had a community to protect. Jesus did not. Therein lies the difference. As soon as Christianity obtained any political power it was much more intolerant than Islam.