Islam

[DarkNLovely]

My girlfriend's family are Hindu, not Muslim. She decided to convert to Orthodox Christianity and for a long time, she wasn't very serious in her faith. Then she started reading the Philokalia, and her faith is really strong now.

I read some articles on www.answering-christianity.com and I'm really confused now. Was the Trinity always a part of Christianity? The site also has an article about "X-Rated inappropriate contentography in the Bible", mainly referring to the Song of Songs.

The very first thing on that "inappropriate contento" link made me laugh! SoS is my absolute fav. Book in the Bible and I din't even have to look to know that they are flat out LYING! Not to say that there is anything wrong with oral sex, but those verse DO NOT refer to oral sex! ROTFLMBO!!!!!! And you know Muslims and others who do not read the Bible are gonna believe it! Please read it! You have to have a very strange and twisted mind to see a navel as a vagina! LOL!!!!

 

[DarkNLovely]

Or just not know what one looks like! LOL!

 

[DarkNLovely]

2- Women's breasts are important sexual objects, especially for licking and sucking!

Her sexy breasts are quite "satisfying":

When I read this I was like, " DUH!!!!!"

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I CAN'T HELP IT! ARE THEY SERIOUS! PLUS LEVITICUS 20:21 SAYS NOTHING ABOUT PARENTS MARRYING THEIR CHILDREN! OH GOSH!! I HAVE TO GO COLLECT MYSELF! LOL!!!!

 

[DarkNLovely]

http://www.amazon.com/Perfumed-Gard...9949660?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187516294&sr=8-5

Here is the one I have! This book is far more graphic and far less poetic than anything you will find in SoS! It's about men who trick women into sleeping with them, a man that is made into a cuckhold...by his donkey, so there is some inappropriate behavior with animals, memebr enlargement, how to do it with a hunchback, and purple vaginas (EWW!) I PROMISE YOU I HAVE NOT ADDED ANYTHING OR EXAGERATED! PLEASE READ IT AND CONFRONT THEM IF THEY QUESTION YOU ABOUT SOS!

That being said, I got mine at a great buy! The dollar store! I'm so frugal!

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

I like how you call us "youngsters" but you're only 30! LOL!!

Well, I wish I was 21 again, back in flight school those days, that is when I visited Ephesus and seen my patron's saints tomb, though I didn't know Christianity one bit... so I am old...

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

I read some articles on www.answering-christianity.com and I'm really confused now. Was the Trinity always a part of Christianity? The site also has an article about "X-Rated inappropriate contentography in the Bible", mainly referring to the Song of Songs.

When I read this I WAS SO ANGRY, I held myself not to use Lord's name in vain...

I have been in apologetics towards muslims since 2002, when I strongly embraced my new faith in Christ (not Orthodox at the time) and this OSAMA ABDALLAH's PATHETIC website has always been brought up by the ignorant muslims... That website is so poorly done, usually we Christians made an example out of this guy OSAMA ABDALLAH on forums like CARM, and he would go fix his website... One time, I remember, he praised a saying of Muhammad who allegedy said there are 360 joints in the human body... Oh yes, the great scientist Muhammad supposedly said this, and Osama Abdallah is praising him for his scientific knowledge at that age... He links out to a few websites right, we go click on it, one of them was a hospital's website with some orthopedy clinic with an extension of 360. There are studies that proved this hadith was grossly false and Osama pulled the joke out of his shameful website. Faith Freedom website focuses on his comedy better, for me and others he is a clown! He is either born raised Palestinian immigrated to US or born raised in US of Palestinian descent. Again I remember one time, he had a American Flag on his website, supporting America and American muslims, today he has a link 9/11: biggest lie in history? What a crook...

I mean he is either 15 years old, or he is just retarded! The Dumpster section... What the??? What he does on his website is a service to Christianity, and shame on himself....

Oh he created this joke website of his to compete with, or in the hopes of creating a possible answer to ANSWERING ISLAM website which contains many converts and other faithful who are professional and scholarly in their work... How creative Osama is, he even named his joke, answering christianity... READ THAT WEBSITE not Osama's... He is a loser!

 

[DarkNLovely]

I was tyPing a response...but it disapered! HEY WHAT HAPPENED!? Anyway! I'm gonna call his site "Sidespliters" from now on! LOL!

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Michael,

Again Magazine has an issue devoted to Islam. In that issue, Father Daniel tells about his conversion from Islam to Christianity and how he has personally led many to Christ even at the risk of being killed.

Is he Fr. Daniel, who is an Indonesian, who attended St. Nicholas Cathedral in Seoul, Korea and became priest later on? Our Orthodox chaplain told me about a father Daniel whose staory is similar to mine, however he went back to his native country to serve... Not sure, but our chaplain said, if Korea had their hand on me, something might happen to me too... I am planning to become a priest after the Army definitely...

 

[Futuwwa]

That sounds like an excuse, all you can do is claim theories against Orthodox Christianity and you will get answers, what you are suggesting is flat out CENSORSHIP, who is doing that?

Well, that's exactly what happened last time when I tried. There was a thread about Islam going on. I did nothing but reply to a few posts, didn't do any anti-Christian polemics at all, simply explained a few things. Yet, I got smacked with mod action for "breaking forum-specific rules", and threatened with a forum-specific ban the next time I'd do it, so no. If you insistently want to debate me, challenge me somewhere else.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

*Under the Old Covenant, God established the sacrificial system. As Christians we believe that pointed to and was fulfilled in Christ. If what Islam says is true, and Christ was merely a man who died a normal death and was not crucifed and resurrected, what was the point of the sacrificial system?

Answering Monica's points from a muslim's point of view...

Those part of the OT must have been corrupted by man, where God never said anything about sacrifice.

*Further, if Islam is the restoration of the religion of Abraham, Jacob and Moses, why are there no sacrifices? Why is there no Temple worship in Islam? The whole of the OT is concerned with the building of, maintaining and worshiping in the Temple! What gives?

Well, OT has been tampered with, read the verse in Jeremiah, where the pen of the scribes lied... That is a proof of corruption in the Bible. Bible is man made...

*Why are there so many inconsistences in the OT Law and the Quran? The dietary laws are not even the same, not to mention all of the other laws. I really don't see how anyone can say that it is supposed to be a restoration of the religion of the patriarchs.

Lying pen of the scribes chaned the OT, it is not preserved as our Quran...

*What of all the prophecy of the messiah? Islam claims to recognize Jesus as the messiah but they wittle him down to the status of prophet.

Isa was a mesenger from Allah just like others, people didn't like him because he preached Allah's word which was revealed to him in his book injeel... Messiah title is no problem, he was annointed to carry Allah's message...

*The Islam says that the Injil, the Gospel, is the word of Allah but it was lost or corrupted over time. How is it that Allah could not protect his own revelation?

Allah chose not to protect the ones before the Quran and promised to preserve Quran...


This is the 80 percent of the answers you will get...

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

A Complaint to Allah

By Ayesha Ahmed
Allah, you did not practice what you preached. You said, Mo is dearest to me, he is best of creation, he is the top ranked prophet, his mother tongue Arabic will be the language of heaven, he can intercede on judgment day, Iman is not complete unless he is accepted as your rasool. You, and him are mentioned together in quran hundreds of times like you two are equal partners. You and all your angels even sent salam to him. You wrote in the Quran obey me and my apostle, love me and my apostle, follow me and my apostle, listen to me and me my apostle. You left no doubt that he was way higher than all other prophets. He led the prayer of all the prophets in the Meraj night at Jerusalem. Only he could ascend to the 7th heaven to meet you whereas even Jibraeel, the messenger, had to stay back at the 6th heaven. However I personally feel that it was more of lip service than anything else. Actions speak louder than words. You did not deliver what you promised. Let us examine what you really did for my beloved (and your beloved) Mo in comparison to what you did for other prophets.

• You gave Noah a life of 950 years, you gave Mo only 63 years. What a shame. Even Ibn Afak, an infidel Jew lived to be 120 and died only when Mo had him assassinated.
• You made Adam 60 cunits (30 meters) tall but you made Mo less than six feet. Even many infidel 7 feet tall basket ball players dwarf the greatest prophet
• You made Yousuf so handsome that even his boss's wife chased him around . As far as Mo is concerned, he was the one doing the chasing. Many women even shunned him. As a matter of fact every time he came to Juavaria, his gorgeous captured-women-turned-wife for a quickie, she would stand up and start praying namaz to avoid him (she was known to pray for hours until horny Mo had to go next door to another wife to fulfill his desire). Once he proposed to have sex with a noble woman, she refused and prayed for protection from Allah, how insulting for an apostle. Many of his marriages could not be consummated (perhaps because the young girls given in marriage by fathers probably started crying when they saw the naked old man).
• You gave Jesus the power to make dead people live, give back parents to orphans and husbands to widows. The only power you gave Mo was to make live people dead, take away parents from children and husbands from wives which any common criminal can do.
• You gave Sulaiman power to control Jinns who used to bring him treasures from the bottom of the sea. Mo had to rely on himself and his cronies to acquire wealth by looting and pillaging.
• You saved Ibrahim's son Ismail when he was trying to behead him after a bad dream by replacing his son with a ram. You did no such saving when Mo's sons were dying in infancy.
• When Younus prayed from inside the stomach of a large fish you listened and saved his life. When Mo prayed from the lap of Ayesha you did not listen, and let him die.
• You gave long lives to children of Dawood and Yaqoob. Mo had to bury six of his seven children who died young . The 7th (Fatima) died 2 months after his death before reaching 20.
• You yourself came down to earth to meet Moses. Mo was escorted by Jibraeel on the back of a winged horse and travel billions of miles to see you ( I bet he had a very sore behind after the trip). Could you not come down yourself for your best man.
• You gave real miracles to all prophets. Ibrahim could convert burning fire into a garden. Moses could convert his staff into a snake, walk through an ocean, give life to a dead cow. Jesus could cure the sick, give eyes to the blind, give life to the dead, make a clay bird fly, talk right after birth. Noah could build an arc to carry millions of animals. Sulaiman could communicate with jinns and animals. All of them had something to show except Mo. When Mo asked for a miracle you gave a run around and said Quran is your miracle. Some miracle, a hodgepodge of silly fables and a collection of misinformation. A book which says Sun sets in muddy spring, stars are missiles to attack jinns, Moon is a lamp, Sun goes around the Earth, mountains are pegs and sky is in seven solid layers. Even kids are laughing at his miracle.
• You gave Sulaiman mastery of all the tongues of animal kingdom. Mo could not even read or write his own mother tongue.
• You gave many prophets the ability to cure (Ayub could cure himself by prayer). When sick people came to them they gave them health. When sick people came to Mo , he gave them camel urine (no wonder some of them went berserk after drinking fresh camel urine and committed murders). He could not cure even his own sons whom he desired and loved dearly, all three died in infancy.
• You sent ababil birds to defeat an army on elephants to protect your own house Kaaba. No ababils showed up when Mo's house in Madina was attacked three times. He almost got killed once.
• Sulaiman was helped by superhuman invisible help in his wars. No such help for Mo. Yes he won many wars but It was the lure of booty, captured women and the 72 perpetually virgin houris in heaven for martyrs which made his soldiers fight and win, not your ababil birds or the thousands of angels which were promised but never showed up.
• You were sending Jibraeel for every little information, even to show how to wipe asses, why didn't you send him to warn Mo against eating the poisoned meat which pained him so much and eventually took his life?

In view of the above facts, can you still say you were fair to Mo.

 

[DarkNLovely]

Well, that's exactly what happened last time when I tried. There was a thread about Islam going on. I did nothing but reply to a few posts, didn't do any anti-Christian polemics at all, simply explained a few things. Yet, I got smacked with mod action for "breaking forum-specific rules", and threatened with a forum-specific ban the next time I'd do it, so no. If you insistently want to debate me, challenge me somewhere else.

Would you please reference that post if you can? Like I said, it must have been something you said or the way you said it! I'm not EO, and they have not done this to me! Sometimes you may not realize when you are saying something that could be offensive, ya'know? If you could bump it, I'd like to read it, k?

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

challenge me somewhere else.

Well, you have nothing to be challenged. Well, since the forums are not CF anymore, maybe they will cut you some slack. I would not want to see CENSORSHIP here.

 

[MichaelNZ]

I went to the Islam forum tonight. There was a sheikh from Wellington there, and he talked about the theme of this year's Islam Awareness Week, which was "Unity in Diversity". He mentioned human rights, and he said that everyone has a right to freedom of belief. He also said that there must be more interfaith dialogue. So this is proof that you shouldn't get your picture of Islam from the mass media. After the question and answer session, I went and talked to him, and one of the things I asked him about was the verses in Surah 9 of the Qur'an calling for the killing of all non-Muslims. The sheikh was a Hafidh, a person who had completely memorized the Qur'an, and he told me that those verses were referring to wartime. He said that it is totally wrong to kill unbelievers outside of wartime, to go to their house and kill them.

The second issue I have a problem with on the Answering Christianity site is the following page: Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible. They use Deuteronomy 22:13-18 as proof for this, and I can't see any alternative explanation.

"If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him"

Obviously this is referring to a cloth that has the blood from the breaking of the hymen on it.

 

[ma2000]

I went to the Islam forum tonight. There was a sheikh from Wellington there, and he talked about the theme of this year's Islam Awareness Week, which was "Unity in Diversity". He mentioned human rights, and he said that everyone has a right to freedom of belief. He also said that there must be more interfaith dialogue. So this is proof that you shouldn't get your picture of Islam from the mass media. After the question and answer session, I went and talked to him, and one of the things I asked him about was the verses in Surah 9 of the Qur'an calling for the killing of all non-Muslims. The sheikh was a Hafidh, a person who had completely memorized the Qur'an, and he told me that those verses were referring to wartime. He said that it is totally wrong to kill unbelievers outside of wartime, to go to their house and kill them.

The second issue I have a problem with on the Answering Christianity site is the following page: Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible. They use Deuteronomy 22:13-18 as proof for this, and I can't see any alternative explanation.

"If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him"

Obviously this is referring to a cloth that has the blood from the breaking of the hymen on it.

How can you stand that kind of garbage?
I mean, have you read the title of that article?

And how can one know from where did the blood on a cloth come?

I can't believe that you were accusing us a few weeks ago for not following the Old Calendar and now you quote such a blasphemy against the Holy Mother of God.

 

[DarkNLovely]

I went to the Islam forum tonight. There was a sheikh from Wellington there, and he talked about the theme of this year's Islam Awareness Week, which was "Unity in Diversity". He mentioned human rights, and he said that everyone has a right to freedom of belief. He also said that there must be more interfaith dialogue. So this is proof that you shouldn't get your picture of Islam from the mass media. After the question and answer session, I went and talked to him, and one of the things I asked him about was the verses in Surah 9 of the Qur'an calling for the killing of all non-Muslims. The sheikh was a Hafidh, a person who had completely memorized the Qur'an, and he told me that those verses were referring to wartime. He said that it is totally wrong to kill unbelievers outside of wartime, to go to their house and kill them.

The second issue I have a problem with on the Answering Christianity site is the following page: Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible. They use Deuteronomy 22:13-18 as proof for this, and I can't see any alternative explanation.

"If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him"

Obviously this is referring to a cloth that has the blood from the breaking of the hymen on it.

I honestly do not want to sound belittling, but do you realize what happens when a woman has sex for the first time? She bleeds. If the cloth that the man and the girl consumated on was in the girls possesion, it was taken before the priest. That sticking his fingers in her is a stretch and not true! The idea is that the man is LYING!!! You see? So he sleeps with her, says she is not a virgin, but the girls still has the cloth as her proof! That make sense? Even if that were true, back in those days, a womans honor was about all she had. If it was your daughter and you knew that she was about to be slandered, you might do that yourself! Anyway, it's beside the point as that is not at ALL what is happening in these scriptures!

 

[DarkNLovely]

But if she was not a virgin, them there is no proof on the sheets and.....she is in big trouble! Besides, where on earth do they get that he stuck his....I'm disgusted!

 

[Futuwwa]

Would you please reference that post if you can? Like I said, it must have been something you said or the way you said it! I'm not EO, and they have not done this to me! Sometimes you may not realize when you are saying something that could be offensive, ya'know? If you could bump it, I'd like to read it, k?

Well, those posts of mine were deleted on the same when I got corrected, so they're gone forever. The thread was one started by Justin, also just titled "Islam" as far as I remember. After that, I just want no trouble. You might not be EO, but neither is your religion viewed as the Archenemy by an unfortunate lot of people.

 

[DarkNLovely]

Well, those posts of mine were deleted on the same when I got corrected, so they're gone forever. The thread was one started by Justin, also just titled "Islam" as far as I remember. After that, I just want no trouble. You might not be EO, but neither is your religion viewed as the Archenemy by an unfortunate lot of people.

You might be suprised! Lots of people don't like Sola Scripturistas! Christianity has so much to offer and I love it! Lot's of people think having so many different expressions is bad, but we are all needful of each other! There basics for true salvation, but other things, in my opinion are simply a matter of preferance.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

You are starting to tickle me in a bad way, because I don't think you are listening what is being told here, people here do care and they are trying to warn you...

I went to the Islam forum tonight. There was a sheikh from Wellington there, and he talked about the theme of this year's Islam Awareness Week, which was "Unity in Diversity".

Unity... There is no unity in islam... There is uniformity but uniformity is not unity. Christians are the opposite. I wonder, how oxymoron it sounds like Unity in Diversity, especially when islam is the topic...

He mentioned human rights, and he said that everyone has a right to freedom of belief.

**cough cough** Bullshirt... There is no human rights in islamic lands, and there is no freedom of belief, what a hypocractic speech, well he is in NZ soil that is why... Politically correct...

He also said that there must be more interfaith dialogue. So this is proof that you shouldn't get your picture of Islam from the mass media.

Dude, you have obviously never studied islam's history nor you read your own Bible, Christ says "you shall know them by their fruits..." remember the recent Muhammad cartoon disaster all around the globe.

After the question and answer session, I went and talked to him, and one of the things I asked him about was the verses in Surah 9 of the Qur'an calling for the killing of all non-Muslims. The sheikh was a Hafidh, a person who had completely memorized the Qur'an, and he told me that those verses were referring to wartime.

What is riggin wartime for muslims? They are currently engaged? Or NOT? How are you going to know? I picture this ... you convert to islam and start living a happy life wherever, visit your mosque often, study your scripture, blah blah, one day one of your brothers at the mosque asks, brother, we have to go to Iraq to serve Allah and die for him... everything has been arranged... What are you going to say? No... Imagine what would happen to you if you said no... Though I can tell you right now what will happen to you if you said YES! Like I said... Wartime... Define wartime...

He said that it is totally wrong to kill unbelievers outside of wartime, to go to their house and kill them.

You should have asked him about house of islam and house of war... and in between... And what muslims can do and can not do...