islam

[Pogue]

I'm in a religious minority, denominationally speaking, and I often disagree with things which the government does, but that doesn't mean I should just leave the country. It's important to remember that many immigrants are staunchly Christian.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

my dog was born in a stable but that dont make it a horse does it???

So being British and being a Muslim are mutually exclusive now? You seem to be confusing nationality with religion...I am no more intrinsically British because I am not a Muslim.

 

[theFijian]

That was the Duke of Wellington's famous reply after having been accused of being Irish.

So now you'll have to explain to us what's so bad about being Irish

 

[michaelb]

So now you'll have to explain to us what's so bad about being Irish

i dont need to explain nowt im michaelb not wellington!!!

 

[theFijian]

i dont need to explain nowt im michaelb not wellington!!!

But you agree with his sentiments about the Irish, very interesting.

 

[michaelb]

But you agree with his sentiments about the Irish, very interesting.

who say i do ?
not me !!!
i used one of his quotes yeah !!!!!!
but in a different context we are talking about islam not paddys..
do you know for a fact that i aint irish ????

 

[theFijian]

who say i do ?
not me !!!
i used one of his quotes yeah !!!!!!
but in a different context we are talking about islam not paddys..
do you know for a fact that i aint irish ????

You certainly seem to have no issue with his sentiments on the Irish. So much so that you choose to quote him, I think this adequately shows the kind of person you are.

PS - different nationalities are not different species of animals, therefore the analogy does not follow and merely paints you as a racist.

 

[michaelb]

PS - different nationalities are not different species of animals, therefore the analogy does not follow and merely paints you as a racist.

so if you have different perceptions of different races religions etc you are considered racist? why?
people are always too quick to judge !!!!
am i irish?may very well be
is my wife black? may very well be
do i have muslim friends? maybe
so you see its easy to judge people !!!!!
i come on here with one or two posts and it may ruffle a few feathers but it gets people talking which is what these forums are for. am i right?
i dont try to change anyones views just trying to get sensible discussions thats all.

 

[michaelb]

CHECK THIS:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nFnR6bUGCvo

 

[Pogue]

CHECK THIS:
[URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=nFnR6bUGCvo[/URL]

That's a slideshow calling Muslims to demonstrate- I don't quite understand what you're trying to to show by posting the link. It's not advocating violence or anything, just the democratic right to protest. Lots of people go on demonstrations.

 

[michaelb]

Its Advocating That Britain Is Oppressing Them!!!!!
If I Was Somewhere And Felt Oppressed I Would Leave!!!!!
So Tony Blair Is The Great Oppressor ????
Oh Wait A Minute Are They Talking About The Free Health Care Or Free Handouts From The Government Or Having A Freedom Of Speech.
Oppressed??? Hah

 

[Pogue]

Its Advocating That Britain Is Oppressing Them!!!!!

It's saying that, yes. It's certainly a debatable point, but it's not illegal or wrong to say that.

If I Was Somewhere And Felt Oppressed I Would Leave!!!!!

Other people might try and change the way things are by peaceful demonstrations. Seems fair enough to me. Why leave your own country when it can be improved?

Oh Wait A Minute Are They Talking About The Free Health Care Or Free Handouts From The Government Or Having A Freedom Of Speech.
Oppressed??? Hah

We've all got free healthcare, thank God. I wasn't aware that Muslims get special handouts. And they're exercising their right to free speech by protesting. The sort of attitude which says that they don't have the right to protest is very likely to make people feel oppressed.

 

[theFijian]

so if you have different perceptions of different races religions etc you are considered racist? why?
people are always too quick to judge !!!!
am i irish?may very well be
is my wife black? may very well be
do i have muslim friends? maybe
so you see its easy to judge people !!!!!
i come on here with one or two posts and it may ruffle a few feathers but it gets people talking which is what these forums are for. am i right?
i dont try to change anyones views just trying to get sensible discussions thats all.

Your view on different nationalities seems to be that we are completely different species and should not even interbreed, ergo you are a racist. You may be irish, your wife may be black, you can be both those things and still be racist. If you want sensible discussion make sensible arguments.

 

[michaelb]

And they're exercising their right to free speech by protesting. The sort of attitude which says that they don't have the right to protest is very likely to make people feel oppressed.

exactly my point if they were so oppressed they wouldnt have free speech would they?
there aint many countrys in the world whose government is as lax as ours yet they say it is an oppressive country. reeks of double standards..
would you be able to go to saudi arabia and wave banners saying behead those who insult jesus?

 

[sebastian]

exactly my point if they were so oppressed they wouldnt have free speech would they?
there aint many countrys in the world whose government is as lax as ours yet they say it is an oppressive country. reeks of double standards..
would you be able to go to saudi arabia and wave banners saying behead those who insult jesus?

I don't think anyone is saying these guys arn't being a bit um, dense. But it still stand the have this freedom, just sit back and have a giggle as they freely demonstrate against oppression.

 

[Pogue]

exactly my point if they were so oppressed they wouldnt have free speech would they?

You might disagree that they're oppressed, but surely you don't think that they have the right to say that they're oppresed?

there aint many countrys in the world whose government is as lax as ours yet they say it is an oppressive country. reeks of double standards..

To some Muslims, it might seem as though they are oppressed. Well, cleary it does, overwise they wouldn't be protesting. The raids on mosques and private homes, as well as the attitude of a large proportion of the British public and media (the Daily Mail and the Sun, especially) go some way to explaining why some Muslims feel as though they are oppressed. I think it's possible that to say that they are oppressed is an exagerration, but it seems clear to me that they are discriminated against and scapegoated more than ever.

would you be able to go to saudi arabia and wave banners saying behead those who insult jesus?

I've never tried it, actually, but I don't imagine that they'd like it very much. I don't know what Saudi law has to say about it, but if it was the law that people who did that were punished very harshly, maybe even executed, would we want to copy the laws of that country and implement them here? Probably not, I don't think.

 

[michaelb]

To some Muslims, it might seem as though they are oppressed. Well, cleary it does, overwise they wouldn't be protesting. The raids on mosques and private homes, as well as the attitude of a large proportion of the British public and media (the Daily Mail and the Sun, especially) go some way to explaining why some Muslims feel as though they are oppressed. I think it's possible that to say that they are oppressed is an exagerration, but it seems clear to me that they are discriminated against and scapegoated more than ever

on just about every raid on mosques/private homes they have found some form of terrorist activity so i beleive that gives them the right to carry out even more raids
listen whatever the british government do to stop terrorism in the uk it will always be frowned upon by muslims and the looney left..

 

[theFijian]

on just about every raid on mosques/private homes they have found some form of terrorist activity

I suspect that in your mind this means that there is terrorist activity going on in every mosque, but I suspect it's more because the police are acting on good information.

 

[Celtcrusader]

I resent that remark by Wellington - and that you perpetuate it.If i said as much about the British would you think it a harmless remark or would you not stand for it ,knowing it for what it is.........
On the muslim thing ..i do think there is a strong link that islam in itself promotes violence and the domination of women and other faiths. And I do know my history and the crusades etc. They were reactionary actions NOT initiated actions.
It also does seem that muslims create a state within a state . mini islamistans. they seem to then become citizens of islamistan within that surrogate country , not proper citizens of the country.
There is the possibility that in our unbending efforts to try to be fair - we actually are blind to the truth that there may be something rotten under our noses.