Islam doesn't condone terror

[Montalban]

The fruits of Islam are death, mutilation and destruction... It is one of the great human tragedies. God save us all.....

Absolutely

 

[Robban]

The properties of the world are related to the works of the flesh... And the Godly things are related to the spiritual things... They are both factors in our existance, which are needed, for a human to become a Child of God... For humans have to learn to be like a child of God, which means to be an image of God... (Which is the calling of humanity..) (Be ye perfect, as you Father in heaven is perfect)

That was not very clear at all, but maybe it,s just me.
I asked you what you put into the word "world",
as far as I can tell you came up with a description of the animal/natural soul which we are all born with, it resides in the left side of the heart, the Godly soul resides in the interllect, and can in drops,drop down into the right side of the heart, which can cause conflict, because the animal soul want to do want it wants and the Godly soul wants to do what it was sent down to do, most of all it wants to return back to the higher realms where it came from. It is a spark of Godliness and when ignited flickers like a flame, which is why when a Jew wavers to and thro`while thinking, talking of Godly things and praying, it is not put on, believe me, it is the Godly soul flickering as a flame.
But as for "world" as you mean it, it is confusing. But this does mean that we cannot get along.

 

[Daniel25]

islam hasn't been a serious threat to christendom since the four rightly guided caliphs.

 

[Robban]

The properties of the world are related to the works of the flesh... And the Godly things are related to the spiritual things... They are both factors in our existance, which are needed, for a human to become a Child of God... For humans have to learn to be like a child of God, which means to be an image of God... (Which is the calling of humanity..) (Be ye perfect, as you Father in heaven is perfect)

Actually I replied to this your post, but when I went to submit it the site went haywire, there kept coming up "pray for the database", so my reply did not get through.
Edit,- I see it came through anyway.

 

[FRM48]

How we stray.(off topic)

 

[AskTheFamily]

Christians nuke two cities and that's not terrorism according to them. This is the problem. They justify it in school.

The biggest terrorism comes from Christians. They bomb women and children, and kill innocents all the time. Still doing that, they feel they are the morally superior people of the world.

Islam teaches to love all people except those waging war against you. It teaches to love humanity, with exception of those whom oppress others and prosecute others for not justified reason. It's a religion of peace.

All wars of Mohammad (saw) were in self-defense. The Quran states to be at peace if they incline to peace. Only when they would break peace treaties with no intention of keeping the peace, did it say to fight them till they die or convert. This was only because they had no intentions of peace and so there was no other choice.

Otherwise Islam taught to not fight when the other side inclines to peace. It taught to love and befriend all those not at war with the people, those whom didn't prosecute the believers were to be loved and befriended.

It's strange how the self-defensive wars of Islam are seen as evil, but nuking two cities, bombing innocents, is not seen as evil by the very same people.

You have a clear bias.

 

[FRM48]

America is a secular Democracy. At least I wasn't on the side of Hitler who wanted to wipe out an entire race of people, THE JEWS.Islam partnered up with good old Adolph.As for your other comment,Japan attacked us first.It's funny how you forget that the Japanese and Germans were conducting horrific experiments on servicemen in violation of the rules of war.Also Japanese society was part of the war machine,they would have followed Hirohito to battlefield if he had commanded them to.I can't believe you would make such a statement..

 

[Montalban]

Christians nuke two cities and that's not terrorism according to them. This is the problem. They justify it in school.

They actually saved more lives by doing this.

Had the US invaded, many more people would have died (not just Americans) but the war would have been prolonged. More Japanese would have died. Very possibly a lot more PoWs in Japanese custody.

The biggest terrorism comes from Christians. They bomb women and children, and kill innocents all the time. Still doing that, they feel they are the morally superior people of the world.

It's hard to separate 'innocents' in a country at war with you.

Islam teaches to love all people except those waging war against you. It teaches to love humanity, with exception of those whom oppress others and prosecute others for not justified reason. It's a religion of peace.

Very funny! Your version 'peace' is either surrender by non-Moslems or a cease-fire whilst you regather to wait to strike again.

All wars of Mohammad (saw) were in self-defense. The Quran states to be at peace if they incline to peace. Only when they would break peace treaties with no intention of keeping the peace, did it say to fight them till they die or convert. This was only because they had no intentions of peace and so there was no other choice.

Why did he demand Heraclius surrender to him? What war was Heraclius then currently engaging against Mecca?

 

[Montalban]

America is a secular Democracy. At least I wasn't on the side of Hitler who wanted to wipe out an entire race of people, THE JEWS.Islam partnered up with good old Adolph.As for your other comment,Japan attacked us first.It's funny how you forget that the Japanese and Germans were conducting horrific experiments on servicemen in violation of the rules of war.Also Japanese society was part of the war machine,they would have followed Hirohito to battlefield if he had commanded them to.I can't believe you would make such a statement..

The great thing about anti-Christian diatribe is that those undertaking it want all arguments at once.

There's countless debates where non-Christians want to argue that America is not a Christian nation – that the founders were all theists or atheists, etc.
But when your country does something bad, then it's a Christian country

 

[AskTheFamily]

They actually saved more lives by doing this

They could've just threatened them with nukes and one city is enough, why two cities... also it's not neccessarily true, the amount of those killed would not be more, either side could have gave up before it got to that much...

Had the US invaded, many more people would have died (not just Americans) but the war would have been prolonged. More Japanese would have died. Very possibly a lot more PoWs in Japanese custody.
It's hard to separate 'innocents' in a country at war with you.

It's unjustifed to nuke two cities, not more people would have died necessarily, this is what they tell everyone but it's not necessarily true...they could have threatened the use of nuclear weapons and that could've been enough as well.

besides, they could have chose to end the war...it's not like they are forced to go to war...pearl harbour happened because of embargo...they didn't have to put the embargo and they could've decided to lift the embargo and not go to war....so they killed lives while it was not neccessary to do so...

Very funny! Your version 'peace' is either surrender by non-Moslems or a cease-fire whilst you regather to wait to strike again.

No that's not my version of peace, neither is it the version of Quran peace which was about perpetual peace...

Why did he demand Heraclius surrender to him? What war was Heraclius then currently engaging against Mecca?

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I don't believe he want to war with Heraclius.

 

[Montalban]

They could've just threatened them with nukes and one city is enough, why two cities

There was the problem that having done that and forewarned them then if they had to send an unescorted bomber it would be readily targeted

... also it's not neccessarily true, the amount of those killed would not be more, either side could have gave up before it got to that much...

You've obviously never looked at the Japanese plans for massed civilian resistance.

It's unjustifed to nuke two cities, not more people would have died necessarily, this is what they tell everyone but it's not necessarily true...they could have threatened the use of nuclear weapons and that could've been enough as well.

Thank you for just repeating yourself in case I missed it the first time

besides, they could have chose to end the war...

America? Yes, they could have called it all off.

it's not like they are forced to go to war...pearl harbour happened because of embargo...

And…? The embargo…? There's more to it. The embargo was placed there because Japan was waging an unrestricted war on China, and then Indo-China.

In China they used plague weapons and chemical weapons. The 'Rape of Nanking' targeted civilians. The League of Nations was ignored as Japan withdrew from it, that's the background for the embargo.

they didn't have to put the embargo and they could've decided to lift the embargo and not go to war....so they killed lives while it was not neccessary to do so...

So selling arms to an aggressor is okay?

No that's not my version of peace, neither is it the version of Quran peace which was about perpetual peace...

Yes, when you've taken over the world

I don't believe he want to war with Heraclius.

He ordered him to surrender and told him the consequences.
There was nothing 'defensive' in this, nor the invasion of North Africa, or Spain, etc.

 

[Montalban]

Islam has shown how 'peaceful' it is

 

[plenary]

Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

 

[.Iona.]

Islam has shown how 'peaceful' it is

The extremists perhaps.

What is it with all this generalising!

 

[Montalban]

The extremists perhaps.

What is it with all this generalising!

Muhammed himself undertook to terrorise.

Here's an example from the Hadith of Muhammad allowing a lie... where Muhammad allowed a man to use a falsity in order to kill someone...

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." (Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, "Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me." Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, "What do you want?" Ka'b replied, "Mortgage your women to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the 'Arabs?" Ka'b said, "Then mortgage your sons to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people's saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you." Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab's foster brother, Abu Na'ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, "Where are you going at this time?" Kab replied, "None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na'ila have come." His wife said, "I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka'b said. "They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed." Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as 'Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, "When Ka'b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head." Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. " have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka'b replied. "I have got the best 'Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume." Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka'b "Will you allow me to smell your head?" Ka'b said, "Yes." Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."
CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts

After this murder the Jews were struck with terror, and realised that Muhammed would resort to force…
When the Jews learned about the death of their tyrant, Ka‘b bin Al-Ashraf, they were scared and
even their stonelike hearts were in the grip of inexpressible panic. They realized that the Messenger
of Allâh (Peace be upon him) would thenceforth never hesitate to use force when good words and
admonition failed. They remained silent and resigned, and faked adherence to covenants.
“The Sealed Nectar” 111.
http://comp.uark.edu/~muslim/publications/Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum.pdf

Note again, I address you with evidence. You can disagree with it, of course, but basing it simply on your feeling that Islam isn't like that at all is not a good reason.

You're welcome also to not address it, like the evidence I presented to you on the other thread. No one is compelling you.

 

[.Iona.]

Note again, I address you with evidence. You can disagree with it, of course, but basing it simply on your feeling that Islam isn't like that at all is not a good reason.

You're welcome also to not address it, like the evidence I presented to you on the other thread. No one is compelling you.

Like I said - I can research on my own.

I could easily google and post some 'evidence' to the contrary, but what difference would that make to someone who has made up his mind?

 

[plenary]

Good passage:

History's monsters were rarely geniuses, most often they were men with a bad idea, willing to do absolutely anything to see it through. Islam is a very bad idea that breeds monsters. It has all the usual components of one of the "Bad Ideas" that nearly destroyed humanity in the 20th century. Absolute power in the name of a perfect order, conspiracy theories and the rise of the oppressed. The Koran 2.0 has gone digital and a new generation is being taught to see the world as a target rich environment-- from a German airport to an island in New York harbor where the 'mighty woman with a torch' is attracting a new breed of exile these days. Who come not to be free, but to enslave us all.

A burqa for Lady Liberty and a mosque for Ground Zero-- that is their vision for us, if we allow it to happen. Freedom undefended turns easily to slavery. Not only defended by force, but in meaning. We have forgotten that freedom is not universal tolerance, but a moral force that springs from the determination of each individual in a society to be free. It is no more a safe space for the burqa, than it is for the slave's chains, it is not an open door of tolerance for the crescent and star, the swastika or the hammer and sickle. Freedom is not blind, that is anarchy and soon undone. It is not only a negative absence of law, but a positive determination to maintain the free society against those who would threaten it. Without that determination Americans will bend under the same chains that a billion already wear in the East and Lady Liberty will done her burqa.

 

[psalms 91]

If they condone terror, yes it is. Personally be thankful I am not in charge of Israel or every nation that wants to annilhate it would be a parking lot.

 

[Ayersy]

If they condone terror, yes it is. Personally be thankful I am not in charge of Israel or every nation that wants to annilhate it would be a parking lot.

How very Christ-like of you.

 

[plenary]

If they condone terror, yes it is. Personally be thankful I am not in charge of Israel or every nation that wants to annilhate it would be a parking lot.
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How very Christ-like of you.

Oh, but the world, and especially the Jews, have learned, that when people shout that they want to destroy Israel and the west, that they are most certainly going to try...
It is not a question IF, but WHEN they are going to try to murder all the Jews in Israel... Because LOVE for non-muslims, is like cursing in the mosque...

And what a nice middle-east it would be, when only the hatefull, warmongering arabs would only exist.... That it would be better, for God, to detonate the world and have it over with... Because a world without Israel, would be an earth without sun....

And a war on Israel, will be the end of the aggressor.... Because no matter what the Muslims think or pretend to think, the Jews are the chosen people of old... And even while the Jews have not always been faithful to God (who has), God IS faithfull....

The arabs want another holocaust (because the arabs fought side by side with the Nazi's), some of them even lie about it, because Truth and Islam, curse eachother.....
It is even so, that truth is forbidden in Islam... It has no place, whatsoever.

Islam itself is a crime against humanity.....