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Oh, I'm pretty sure we'd be in deep doo-doo if the terrorists got their way. Haha.
Apostacy is still punishable by death over in alot of Middle Eastern countries.
Alot of atheists over there have to remain "in the closet", so to speak.
You're just basically saying "it is, because it is.", the only difference is I'm merely explaining that things change through time.
I'm saying WE CONSIDER it wrong now, because WE think differently nowadays. There is no right, or wrong. Just differences in thinking, throughout time. I don't understand what you're not getting about this.
I can't explain it any other way.
At any rate, it doesn't really matter. This thread isn't about the age of women/girls that Mohammad had relations with. It's about Islam and terrorism.
IT ALREADY HAS! Charity begins at home, but when you get politicians who want to play the big shot and let in more, than funds will allow, there are going to be problems.Perhaps you should plan your vacation this year to, let's say, Rosengard??
I am wondering, what people will say, when Europe does become a second Middle east... And non-muslims are second-class citizens...
There's no connection between these statements.
Atheists aren't necessarily apostates.
If a terrorist murdered your whole family would he be right to do so?Or is it wrong to murder?
There is a connection, but I wasn't implying that all apostates are atheists.
Muslims who become atheists, are considered apostates, though.
As opposed to those Vulcans reading this?As humans,
Some consider it wrong. Some don't. Thanks for the truismwe consider murder to be wrong (Well, most of the time. Evidently, some people consider it to be okay to murder people for insulting one of their prophets), but that doesn't make it wrong in of itself. The universe won't change upon the murder of my family.
You've not shown that it wouldn't be right. You've said some think it is right, some think it's wrong. What makes it wrong hasn't been shown.So, to answer your question. No, it wouldn't be right to do so, and we humans do consider murder to be wrong.
Try and stick to one debateWhat if God had told him to murder my family? Would you consider that to be wrong?
Murder isn't as easy to define as alot of people think it is. So really, there is no right or wrong.
Any who leave Islam are Apsostasy regardless of whether they become atheists, Christians, etc.
I don't know why you just mentioned atheists.
As opposed to those Vulcans reading this?
Some consider it wrong. Some don't. Thanks for the truism
You've not shown that it wouldn't be right. You've said some think it is right, some think it's wrong. What makes it wrong hasn't been shown.
Try and stick to one debate
And now it's not right or wrong?
What a confused post you've made
Jesus was not expecting the Roman soldiers to be in the picture? When he realised Judas brought the Romans, he knew he was outnumbered and further violence would only bring death to a small band of religious group. Hence, those who live by the sword will die by the sword.Read this.
Though I don't agree with their conclusions I find that they raise some interesting points that you need to note, such as why would Jesus only order two swords to be bought?
I agree. In fact, the bible writers seemed to exonerate the Romans from any part in the 'death' of Christ.I think it's also interesting to note that the Roman authorities would not have taken kindly to Jews taking the law into their own hands.
I love how some Christians argue over 'swords'. Jesus asked his followers to purchase some non-literal swords?Jesus didn't mean literal swords... The Word of God also is compared to a sword...
What do you think would happen if two guys with swords took on trained soldiers? However....Jesus was not expecting the Roman soldiers to be in the picture?
I don't believe Judas brought any Romans. So Jesus armed his followers (two of them) exepecting trained soldiers who didn't turn up and he thought that they'd all be killed. That's pretty interesting speculation of yours.When he realised Judas brought the Romans, he knew he was outnumbered and further violence would only bring death to a small band of religious group. Hence, those who live by the sword will die by the sword.
The bible says if you have faith, you can lift mountains.What do you think would happen if two guys with swords took on trained soldiers? However....
Jesus did not expect a large number of 'enemies'. Two swords would be enough manned by disciples who were willing to die for him. The episode suggests that Jesus miscalculated the advance of the enemy.I don't believe Judas brought any Romans. So Jesus armed his followers (two of them) exepecting trained soldiers who didn't turn up and he thought that they'd all be killed. That's pretty interesting speculation of yours.
They were after Jesus, not the disciples. The disciples have been advised to preach the gospels to the Jews (without him). A fight there would kill him and the disciples and end the movement there. Surrender was the best option, knowing the movement could still continue with the disciples.So Jesus plans for professional soldiers to come, and they don't, in fact 'temple soldiers' come who would be less well trained Jesus thought that it was best to not resist - and knowing he'd be condemned to death he lay down his life (although according to you Moslems didn't die) to save a movement?.
Again, he miscalculates. He was human after all. I am not sure he could gather more men who trusted him with their lives.He'd predicted what would happen to him, yet only took 11 with him.
Actually it says if you have the faith the size of a mustard seed, you can lift mountains.The bible says if you have faith, you can lift mountains.
It doesn't suggest that at all. You suggest this based on speculating that there were Romans there and there weren't and that he only armed two guys for trouble but then ignoring everything else, including the fact that Jesus healed a man who's ear was taken, and that he'd predicted he'd go (ignoring also his praying in the garden on this) and that he'd limited those who came with him, and that he wanted to goJesus did not expect a large number of 'enemies'. Two swords would be enough manned by disciples who were willing to die for him. The episode suggests that Jesus miscalculated the advance of the enemy.
As humans, we consider murder to be wrong (Well, most of the time. Evidently, some people consider it to be okay to murder people for insulting one of their prophets), but that doesn't make it wrong in of itself. The universe won't change upon the murder of my family.
So, to answer your question. No, it wouldn't be right to do so, and we humans do consider murder to be wrong.
What if God had told him to murder my family? Would you consider that to be wrong?
When is it okay to kill someone? Is it okay to kill in self-defense? Revenge? For God? For money? For love? For nothing? To save lives?
Murder isn't as easy to define as alot of people think it is. So really, there is no right or wrong.
As humans, we consider murder to be wrong (Well, most of the time. Evidently, some people consider it to be okay to murder people for insulting one of their prophets), but that doesn't make it wrong in of itself. The universe won't change upon the murder of my family.
So, to answer your question. No, it wouldn't be right to do so, and we humans do consider murder to be wrong.
What if God had told him to murder my family? Would you consider that to be wrong?
When is it okay to kill someone? Is it okay to kill in self-defense? Revenge? For God? For money? For love? For nothing? To save lives?
Murder isn't as easy to define as alot of people think it is. So really, there is no right or wrong.
Murder is very easy to define: the illegal and/or immoral killing of a person.
And the 6th Commandment (5th if you're Catholic) makes it very clear: Thou shalt not murder.
It is an absolute standard, and you will be judged by God if you decide to ignore it.
Muslims who kill people who do not subscribe to Islam, or who embrace another faith, or a host of other transgressions mentioned in the Qur'an, are committing murder.
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What about the times in which the USA saved the world, like in the Second World War?? Americans gave their lives for the Europeans... NO-ONE should EVER forget that... At least the Europeans shouldn't... I myself are thankful they helped us...What about the murder committed by non-Muslims, Christians included? Do you condemn them? Do you condemn the many illegal wars that the US has fought? Or do these 'standards' apply only to Muslims?
And IF sharia was to be forced upon the west, than Christians, would become the oppressed, like they are in the Muslim countries....http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2681186/posts
As expected, Muslims across the world have started to lock arms in their quest to impose Shariah Law on all.
Just like how Muslims keep on repeating that they also think Jesus to be a great prophet, while they disregard everything Jesus taught and only walk after the doctrine of Muhammad?... Which is diametrically opposed to the teachings of Christ...I love how some Christians argue over 'swords'. Jesus asked his followers to purchase some non-literal swords?
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