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God is capable of everything. If He wishes to take a human form, He will take it. How can we stop Him from taking an human form?
 
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I didn't say you weren't a Christian and I didn't mean to imply it. That's really none of my business it's between you and God, I was just trying to answer your post. I am sorry to say that the bible is not as infallible as most Christian's think but it's more infallible than the Muslims think. It's just that if I see a word or phrase in the bible and can't find a word that means the same as or similar to it in my NASC exhaustive concordance or Strong's concordance I don't think it should be there. That part when God told Abraham to take his only son to the mountain really doesn't make sense because Abraham had 2 sons. The word for one implies beloved and that's the word they should have used and that thou lovest just sounds redundant and it's not in the concordance either. It should read take your beloved son to the mountain.
There is a word for Isaac though and that's who he offered to sacrifice. I have seen this before and wondered about it but I would rather focus on Jesus Christ and the new testament because Jesus is the covenant. I respect the Muslims too but that doesn't change the truth of the word of God and if Islam is a false religion I'm going to try to show it is, but as long as nobody will admit to the possibility of being wrong about something we're not going to get anywhere.
 
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azri said:
I dont believe that god can be weak, cruel and deceptive or evil.


He certainly chooses very very very weak people!
Somehow you do believe though that he'd allow Muhammed to make morals that are based no on some over-arching belief system, but what is relative/legal.
 
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azri said:
that's what every Moslem so far has argued (and the two Baha'i) that his marriage to Aisha was fine because it was 'legal'

That his approval of the murder of PoWs was okay becuase the rest of his followers 'approved' of it.
 
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I would like to see them.
 
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No. He didnt choose very very very weak people.

[font=Verdana,Arial]Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are [/font]strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong;[font=Verdana,Arial] it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward. (Qur'an [/font][font=Verdana,Arial]48:29)[/font]
 
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Satan was an angel before he sinned do you believe it was the will of God for him to siin? God is a Spirit john 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. The image of God is a spiritual image, we were created with that spiritual image inside us.
 
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Why would that degrade Him? Sometimes I wonder if you all think loves you.
 
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I don't believe the Bible is inerrant. I can't quote a particular reason for it, although I admit Paul's instructions about women strike me as more from his own point of view than from God's. I just don't think God has chosen to keep his word, in all it's translations, pure. I'm sure most of it is as He wrote it, through the prophets and disciples. We are to depend on the Holy Spirit for interpretation, not how we understand it.
 
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No. He didnt choose very very very weak people.
Well speaking on behalf of weak people everywhere I'm going to have to disagree. He does indeed choose weak people. He choose's weak people from all over the world to confound the wise and strong because we are made strong in Him. This is one of the things that drew me (and keeps me) a Christian.
tulc(weak, slow and annoying! I'm a triple threat)
 
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Muslims do not believe that Satan was an angel. We believe he was of an entirely different race of beings called Jinns. Satan was the father of all Jinns and because of the level of piety that he had, God elevated him to the status of angels and allowed him to walk around freely in heaven like the other angels. But he is by no means an angel. He does not posess the qualities of an angel such as their lack of free will. Angels cannot disobey God. It is not possible for them to do otherwise then what is commanded of them from God. When God told the angels to bow down before Adam, all of them did. But Satan didn't because he had the ability to choose and he chose to disobey God due to his pride. He felt that since Adam was made from dirt and he was made from a smokeless fire, that he was the superior being and therefore should not have to bow down to Adam.

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Chapter 2, Verse 34. And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.
 
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