Isaac or Ishmael?

[saiful-Islam-Khattab]

You are arguing then not THAT THE TRANSMISSION OF THE BIBLE IS IN ERROR, but TRANSMISSION THAT TOOK PLACE BEFORE THE BIBLE UNTO THE BIBLE IS IN ERROR which is an entirely different argument, you've been making the wrong argument all this time! People have been mentioning concordances etc, and you've probably not understood - but not asked. Clearly your whole notion about the Bible being flawed, is flawed. When has it been corrupted? Certainly people might make their own additions/changes/subtractions to various verses suit themselves, BUT we can always go back to earlier works to check against these.

As to a possibility of fault between Jesus and the writing of the Gospels...
Firstly, the Bible books were not written at the time of Jesus. They are not meant to be akin to a Photostat, as the Koran claims to be (that is; an exact replication of what was given). And we can get back to this false belief about the purity of the Koran at another point in time (see source quoted in previous post for a start)

At the time of Jesus, Greek was still the dominant cultural language. All the Christian writers up to Blessed Augustine wrote in it. All the church councils were in the east, and all done in Greek. So I don't know what you've got against Greek. It was the language of philosophy so that even Roman emperor philosopher Marcus Auerelius wrote in Greek. It was 'the' intellectual language.

However, it is clear that writing 30 years on after an event, a mere mortal might make errors. However, these men were inspired by the Holy Spirit. It is why the four gospels, written in different places at different dates are so alike!

You need to find 'faults' within the text to prove your point... and the only thing you've got to test them against is the other gospels! Mere supposition has been your point all this time.

The true words of Jesus were written down, His disciples were his scribes too, James the Just, Barnabas and so on they noted what he said. Most of the true words of these scribes have either been made apocrypha or destroyed (Burnt)when the Ebionites were put to death.The Jerusalem Church, up to the Martyrdom of James the Just was following the Gospel of Jesus, which almost extinc today.rather we have the Gopel according to , and according to.Even Paul mentions in his letters about his Gospel
Ro 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Ro 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel,

2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
saif

 

[Montalban]

Let me see if I have this right:
1) the Bible we Christians read is corrupted (except the parts you like)
2) the parts you like (miraculously!) agree with your beliefs
3) the corrupted parts are there because God couldn't keep those pesky scribes honest
4) soooo doesn't that sort of make the scribes more powerful then God?
tulc(curious that's all)

The worse thing is you ask Moslmes for a list of which verses are uncorrupted, and they can't tell you, just that they're there.

 

[saiful-Islam-Khattab]

No, I just said he wasn't illigitamate. God still established his covenant through isaac. The peoplle dissobeyed God, but God is true to his word.Ishmael was blessed but his bloodline wasn't included in the covenant. That doesn't mean they were excluded but God meant for Jesus Christ to come through Isaac's bloodline, and he did. I think that is the covenant because God said He would establish it, it had spiritual implications. If you're talking about the physical covenant and who should get that land I don't know but I think the covenant of Abraham had spiritual implications more than physical. God promised Abraham he would bee the father of many nations and a lot of ketrur'ss son's went east. I read she had 6 sons by him. So chances are the Indians have just as much right to that land as current day Palestinians. God fulfilled His part now you have to fulfill yours which is romans 10:9.

You seem to be contradicting here Markie, many christians could bet their bottom dollar that Ismael was illegitimate. Many would even vow Abraham and hagar were not married ,they would rather slander them as Adulterers rather than accept Ismael.
Just as they want to deny anything in the Bbile what so ever that mentions the Coming Of the prophet mohammed (peace be upon him), they would do anything to cut that link between him and Ismael.
Saiful-Islam

 

[saiful-Islam-Khattab]

The worse thing is you ask Moslmes for a list of which verses are uncorrupted, and they can't tell you, just that they're there.

I can give you lists till they come out of your earholes mate, if christians scholars have accepted that along the years there has been tampering with the text why do the common people go into denial mode then over that issue.
Even if I would show you the proofs you would still find a way to deny them.

 

[Bevlina]

I can give you lists till they come out of your earholes mate, if christians scholars have accepted that along the years there has been tampering with the text why do the common people go into denial mode then over that issue.
Even if I would show you the proofs you would still find a way to deny them.

Ah ... but when we show YOU proofs by Archeological evidence ... you ignore them.

 

[saiful-Islam-Khattab]

However, it is clear that writing 30 years on after an event, a mere mortal might make errors. However, these men were inspired by the Holy Spirit. It is why the four gospels, written in different places at different dates are so alike!

How could they be alike when they could not even get the Genealogy right. 2 differnt accounts, with people who were not even blood relatives included.

 

[saiful-Islam-Khattab]

Ah ... but when we show YOU proofs by Archeological evidence ... you ignore them.

so why do your scholars admit them then, why don't they go into denial mode,do you know better than those who study and translate the text.

 

[Bevlina]

so why do your scholars admit them then, why don't they go into denial mode,do you know better than those who study and translate the text.

I like to study Bible Archeology.Other's may like to debate.

 

[Montalban]

The true words of Jesus were written down, His disciples were his scribes too, James the Just, Barnabas and so on they noted what he said. Most of the true words of these scribes have either been made apocrypha or destroyed (Burnt)when the Ebionites were put to death.The Jerusalem Church, up to the Martyrdom of James the Just was following the Gospel of Jesus, which almost extinct today.rather we have the Gospel according to , and according to.Even Paul mentions in his letters about his Gospel

Leaving aside the nonsense history you give, and the fact that this supposedly corrupted Bible is in fact one you're using to prove your point, let's just look at how you misunderstand it...

Ro 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Considering that this is referring to what St. Paul's 'Gospel'. We can tell this from St. Paul using the first person "my" refers to something of his... and in this case, as in most cases St. Paul refers to 'gospel' or scripture, he's referring to the Old Testament, not the New, because the New did not exist.

Ro 16:25 Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel,

Ditto re: 1st person.

2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
saif

Titus 2 2:8 says
and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us.

Now getting back to your astoundingly illogical view. You believe that the gospel has been corrupted, so you quote from a corrupted gospel to prove that it was burnt? How is it that you can draw upon this corrupted version?

Who are the Ebionites? What has this to do with anything?

You also miss several other points...
The Gospel of St. John is the last gospel written. The very last thing he says in the last chapter is...
John 21:25

Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.”



In other words, the Bible doesn't cover everything, anyway.



Not all was written down...

"Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions as I delivered them to you" (I Corinthians 11:2)



"Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle"

(II Thessalonians 2:15)



When it came time to compiling the Bible (which was not up to that time deemed necessary for the teaching of Christianity), Holy Tradition was used as the guide. My church, the Orthodox Church (from which the Catholic church would later divide from) commissioned a council to determine which books were authentic... as according to tradition. They did so only as a response to gnostics who were teaching false scriptures as truth.

However, we have continuity in the mind of the church as evidenced by other writings, such as the Didache, the Epistles of St. Clement of Rome, and St. Ignatius of Antioch, which all pre-date the compilation of the Bible.

 

[Muslim]

And ... there it is! Their names are incribed above the picture! Abraham, Isaac.
Reember, Isaac was a miraculous birth! Ishmael was not.

This proves absolutely nothing. I had stressed from the beginning that the Jews were the one's who had changed the Old Testament and not the Christians so that they could claim that Isaac was the one to be sacrificed. An alter with the names Abraham and Isaac scribed on it proves absolutely nothing as it was written down not by Abraham but by members of the Children of Israel centuries afterwards. I can't believe you would base your entire argument on such a thing when I have shown you the truth in your own holy scripture. But regardless, there is historical evidence that it was Ishmael who was sacrificed because the arabs had celebrated the sacrifice of Ishmael every year by making a pilgramage to the Kaaba, and offering a sacrifice. And this practice was done since the time of Abraham, much longer and older than that alter you speak of. I don't get you Bevlina, you asked me to show you evidence from the Old Testament, and I brought you plenty of evidence, then you completely disregard your own holy scripture and instead use this to prove your point? I see now that you doubt the truth of the Old Testament, otherwise you would have stuck to it and used it to prove your argument.

 

[Montalban]

This proves absolutely nothing. I had stressed from the beginning that the Jews were the one's who had changed the Old Testament and not the Christians so that they could claim that Isaac was the one to be sacrificed.

What it proves is your circular logic. Only the bits you agree with haven't been changed. You continually make just-so statements that the Bible has been changed. And you back up this claim with... wait for it... re-stating your just-so statement.
I still challenge you to give me the verses that have not been changed (according to you)

An alter with the names Abraham and Isaac scribed on it proves absolutely nothing as it was written down not by Abraham but by members of the Children of Israel centuries afterwards.

More circular reasoning. It's proved by your statement proved by your statement.

I can't believe you would base your entire argument on such a thing when I have shown you the truth in your own holy scripture.

I've only seen you re-stating your claim.

But regardless, there is historical evidence that it was Ishmael who was sacrificed because the arabs had celebrated the sacrifice of Ishmael every year by making a pilgramage to the Kaaba, and offering a sacrifice.

The pilgrimage to the Kaaba was made because it housed a number of pagan gods, of whom al-lah was but one of many.
Here are some interesting verses...
Genesis 16
Hagar and Ishmael
1 Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, "The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her."
11 The angel of the LORD also said to her (Ishamel's mum, Hagar):
"You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, [a] for the LORD has heard of your misery. 12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."
Then of his next son...
Genesis 17
The Covenant of Circumcision
1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, "I am God Almighty [a] ; walk before me and be blameless. 2 I will confirm my covenant between me and you and will greatly increase your numbers."
3 Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, 4 "As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5 No longer will you be called Abram ; your name will be Abraham, [c] for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. 7 I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. 8 The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God."
9 Then God said to Abraham, "As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner-those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant."
15 God also said to Abraham, "As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. 16 I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her."
17 Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, "Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?" 18 And Abraham said to God, "If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!"
19 Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. [d] I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year." 22 When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.
23 On that very day Abraham took his son Ishmael and all those born in his household or bought with his money, every male in his household, and circumcised them, as God told him. 24 Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised, 25 and his son Ishmael was thirteen; 26 Abraham and his son Ishmael were both circumcised on that same day. 27 And every male in Abraham's household, including those born in his household or bought from a foreigner, was circumcised with him.

Clearly the covenant is for Isaac to be blessed, but Ishamel is circumcised too! The specialness of Isaac is confirmed..
Genesis 21
Hagar and Ishmael Sent Away
8 The child grew and was weaned, and on the day Isaac was weaned Abraham held a great feast. 9 But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking, 10 and she said to Abraham, "Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac."
11 The matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his son. 12 But God said to him, "Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned. 13 I will make the son of the maidservant into a nation also, because he is your offspring."

And again, he's referred to as Abraham's only son..
Genesis 22
Abraham Tested
1 Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, "Abraham!"
"Here I am," he replied.
2 Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about.
and..
12 "Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."

 

[tulc]

I had stressed from the beginning that the Jews were the one's who had changed the Old Testament and not the Christians so that they could claim that Isaac was the one to be sacrificed.

So the Jewish scribes were more powerful then God?
tulc(still plugging away here!)

 

[Muslim]

So the Jewish scribes were more powerful then God?
tulc(still plugging away here!)

God gave the revelation to the Jews, but the Jews betrayed their convenant with God and slayed the prophets and changed the words written in their scriptures. That does not mean that God could not have stopped them. God let them do this because he was going to safeguard the Quran.

 

[tulc]

God let them do this because he was going to safeguard the Quran.

As well as He safe guarded His other scriptures?
tulc(anyone else see a problem with this?)

 

[Bevlina]

This proves absolutely nothing. I had stressed from the beginning that the Jews were the one's who had changed the Old Testament and not the Christians so that they could claim that Isaac was the one to be sacrificed. An alter with the names Abraham and Isaac scribed on it proves absolutely nothing as it was written down not by Abraham but by members of the Children of Israel centuries afterwards. I can't believe you would base your entire argument on such a thing when I have shown you the truth in your own holy scripture. But regardless, there is historical evidence that it was Ishmael who was sacrificed because the arabs had celebrated the sacrifice of Ishmael every year by making a pilgramage to the Kaaba, and offering a sacrifice. And this practice was done since the time of Abraham, much longer and older than that alter you speak of. I don't get you Bevlina, you asked me to show you evidence from the Old Testament, and I brought you plenty of evidence, then you completely disregard your own holy scripture and instead use this to prove your point? I see now that you doubt the truth of the Old Testament, otherwise you would have stuck to it and used it to prove your argument.

I still say, you muslims would argue with God.
I am trying to tell you that we have the archeological evidence to prove the Bible is the absolute truth. And yet, you will still say the opposite.

 

[Muslim]

What it proves is your circular logic. Only the bits you agree with haven't been changed. You continually make just-so statements that the Bible has been changed. And you back up this claim with... wait for it... re-stating your just-so statement.
I still challenge you to give me the verses that have not been changed (according to you)

More circular reasoning. It's proved by your statement proved by your statement.

I've only seen you re-stating your claim.

The pilgrimage to the Kaaba was made because it housed a number of pagan gods, of whom al-lah was but one of many.
Here are some interesting verses...
Genesis 16
Hagar and Ishmael
1 Now Sarai, Abram's wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian maidservant named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, "The LORD has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my maidservant; perhaps I can build a family through her."
11 The angel of the LORD also said to her (Ishamel's mum, Hagar):
"You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, [a] for the LORD has heard of your misery. 12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."
Then of his next son...
Genesis 17
The Covenant of Circumcision
1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, "I am God Almighty [a] ; walk before me and be blameless. 2 I will confirm my covenant between me and you and will greatly increase your numbers."
3 Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, 4 "As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5 No longer will you be called Abram ; your name will be Abraham, [c] for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. 7 I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. 8 The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God."
9 Then God said to Abraham, "As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner-those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant."
15 God also said to Abraham, "As for Sarai your wife, you are no longer to call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. 16 I will bless her and will surely give you a son by her. I will bless her so that she will be the mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her."
17 Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, "Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?" 18 And Abraham said to God, "If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!"
19 Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. [d] I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year." 22 When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.
23 On that very day Abraham took his son Ishmael and all those born in his household or bought with his money, every male in his household, and circumcised them, as God told him. 24 Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised, 25 and his son Ishmael was thirteen; 26 Abraham and his son Ishmael were both circumcised on that same day. 27 And every male in Abraham's household, including those born in his household or bought from a foreigner, was circumcised with him.

Clearly the covenant is for Isaac to be blessed, but Ishamel is circumcised too! The specialness of Isaac is confirmed..
Genesis 21
Hagar and Ishmael Sent Away
8 The child grew and was weaned, and on the day Isaac was weaned Abraham held a great feast. 9 But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking, 10 and she said to Abraham, "Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac."
11 The matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his son. 12 But God said to him, "Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned. 13 I will make the son of the maidservant into a nation also, because he is your offspring."

And again, he's referred to as Abraham's only son..
Genesis 22
Abraham Tested
1 Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, "Abraham!"
"Here I am," he replied.
2 Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about.
and..
12 "Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."

I'm simply amazed at the amount of hatred spewing forth from the OT towards many of God's prophets, including Ishmael, Noah, Lot, and David. These were all richeous men yet the Jews have made them into the worst of men in your eyes yet you still look to them as holy figures. You have yet to prove anything to me as for your claims because the only thing you have proven is that the bible contradicts itself many times. I cannot show you which is the correct portion of the bible and which is false because no one really knows. The Bible has been corrupted for so many centuries it's impossible to know where the truth lies in it. But the reason why I have used certain verses from the OT testament is because they agree with the Quran, which is perfect. So anything contradictory to the Quran in the Bible is something which has been added.

 

[Bevlina]

I'm simply amazed at the amount of hatred spewing forth from the OT towards many of God's prophets, including Ishmael, Noah, Lot, and David. These were all richeous men yet the Jews have made them into the worst of men in your eyes yet you still look to them as holy figures. You have yet to prove anything to me as for your claims because the only thing you have proven is that the bible contradicts itself many times. I cannot show you which is the correct portion of the bible and which is false because no one really knows. The Bible has been corrupted for so many centuries it's impossible to know where the truth lies in it. But the reason why I have used certain verses from the OT testament is because they agree with the Quran, which is perfect. So anything contradictory to the Quran in the Bible is something which has been added.

How many times do we have to tell you that the Bible is the Inspired Word of God. It coes NOT contradict itself. It may seem so to you because you do not believe the Bible. You only believe what has possible been taken from the Bible to add to the Koran. You forget that the Bible is centuries and centuries older than the Koran. You continually state the Bible is corrupt.
This is understandable because the Bible states that the god of this world had blinded the eyes of the unelievers so that they cannot see the Glorious Truth in Jesus.

 

[Montalban]

I'm simply amazed at the amount of hatred spewing forth from the OT towards many of God's prophets,

I would suggest using a less offensive adjective than spewing.

including Ishmael, Noah, Lot, and David.

How is Ishmael a prophet? Where is the "Book of Ishmael"?

These were all richeous (sic) men yet the Jews have made them into the worst of men in your eyes yet you still look to them as holy figures.

Straw-man. I don't look to Ishmael as a 'holy figure'.

You have yet to prove anything to me as for your claims because the only thing you have proven is that the bible contradicts itself many times.

It is your claim that the Bible contradicts itself many times. Again you simply repeat this claim
Further, my citation from the OT does not show any internal contradiction; show me where it contradicts itself.

I cannot show you which is the correct portion of the bible and which is false because no one really knows.

D'oh! The reasoning of Islam? If you can't show any of it is false (and you've not done so) then how do you know ANY of it is? And, repeating your supposition that it is is not 'proof'.

The Bible has been corrupted for so many centuries it's impossible to know where the truth lies in it.

Ahrgghhh! A repeat of your opinion!

But the reason why I have used certain verses from the OT testament is because they agree with the Quran,

No, the resident Muslims here have attempted to extrapolate from some verses of the OT that it agrees with the Koran; such as trying to prove that it predicts Muhammad.
(How on earth those corrupting Jews left that in? )

which is perfect.

Define 'perfect'. Show me how you measure it, and we'll see if the Koran stacks up.

So anything contradictory to the Quran in the Bible is something which has been added.

You mean, all of it?

 

[markie]

The true words of Jesus were written down, His disciples were his scribes too, James the Just, Barnabas and so on they noted what he said. Most of the true words of these scribes have either been made apocrypha or destroyed (Burnt)when the Ebionites were put to death.The Jerusalem Church, up to the Martyrdom of James the Just was following the Gospel of Jesus, which almost extinc today.rather we have the Gopel according to , and according to.Even Paul mentions in his letters about his Gospel
Ro 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Ro 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel,

2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
saif

Why would anybody want to corrupt the gospel and start their own church? Even if they did why would they mention the death and resurrection of Jesus? I think the Pharisee's at leeaasst thought they were doing right. Paul was committed before his conversion he was just committed to the wrong thing but I think he thought he was doing the right thing.
Paul said my gospel in those verses because he was the one preaching it. You conveniently forgot to mention these verses,
Rom..1 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the gospel of Christ.
1 Cor. 9:things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
2 Cor. 4 4:lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
9:unto the gospel of Christ,
Gal. 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. There were three Jesus' but only one Christ.

 

[Bevlina]

In Pauls day there were many funny religions. And Paul was a travelling missionary for Jesus the Christ. He preached Jesus everywhere he went. If people slander Paul, they'll have to answer to God for it.