Is YEC science? Is is even really a theory?

[Bradskii]

The Bible does not say that at all. Never once is the word: "supernatural" in the Bible. People need to quit adding words that are not there and make an attempt to understand the words that are there. We know God uses the laws of science to create. The more science we know, the better we are going to understand our Bible.

You are really grasping here. Scientific laws were broken left, right and centre throughout the whole Genesis creation process. It was about as far from a natural event as it's possible to get.

And you complain about the term supernatural? 'Cos that word doesn't appear in the KJV?

Farcical...

 

[Diamond72]

You are really grasping here. Scientific laws were broken left, right and centre throughout the whole Genesis creation process. It was about as far from a natural event as it's possible to get.

You have to understand quantum physics. God is a singularity. He does not follow the laws of physics that deal with a dichotomy. Also God is eternal and we live in a temporal universe. Also time has no effect on a singularity.

There is abundant, overwhelming, infinite evidence that the Bible is accurate and true. There is nothing, zip, zero, zilch evidence that the Bible is not accurate and true. There are things we can not prove, but mostly we can because the Bible is about "generations" which means there is a lot of history in the Bible.

 

[Bradskii]

You have to understand quantum physics. God is a singularity. He does not follow the laws of physics that deal with a dichotomy. Also God is eternal and we live in a temporal universe. Also time has no effect on a singularity.

There is abundant, overwhelming, infinite evidence that the Bible is accurate and true. There is nothing, zip, zero, zilch evidence that the Bible is not accurate and true. There are things we can not prove, but mostly we can because the Bible is about "generations" which means there is a lot of history in the Bible.

Good grief...

 

[Diamond72]

And you complain about the term supernatural? 'Cos that word doesn't appear in the KJV?

Yes, exactly. WE can not add words to the Bible. We are plenty busy trying to understand the words we have. There are 200,000 science books in the Harvard library that talk about Genesis chapter one. Even every book in the world would not be enough to explain to us what we read in those 31 verses in the first chapter of our Bible. We are plenty busy to understand the words we have. So we do not need to add words to what we already have. Even if we could understand the first word: "Beginning" then all the other words would make sense.

 

[Diamond72]

Is YEC a scientific theory?

There is plenty of Science in Genesis chapter one. Chapter one talks about the beginning.Then chapter two talks about the generations, this has a lot more to do with history. Bishop Usshers book written 500 years ago is mostly history. That is why his book is still accurate today. The history does not change.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Bible does not say that at all. Never once is the word: "supernatural" in the Bible.

Fair enough.

Let's just use Bible terminology.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Explain how that was done scientifically, without any miracle(s) involved; or without contradicting any other passages in the Bible.

We know God uses the laws of science to create.

And what aspect of science has the earth in existence before the sun?

 

[AV1611VET]

WE can not add words to the Bible.

I totally agree.

So show me how angiosperms were created before the sun, without adding words to the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is plenty of Science in Genesis chapter one.

Show me.

 

[Diamond72]

Show me.

Science tells us a LOT about Beginnings, Heaven, and Earth. Assuming that Heaven means the stars or our atmosphere. There are 200,000 science books in the Harvard Library that tells us about Genesis chapter one. John tells us all the books in the world would not be enough. John 21:25 "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written everyone, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen." The information in Genesis chapter one is infinite, abundant and overwhelming.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes, exactly. WE can not add words to the Bible. We are plenty busy trying to understand the words we have. There are 200,000 science books in the Harvard library that talk about Genesis chapter one.

I think you have confused theology books and science books. Science books aren't about a page in the bible. They are about the natural world.

Even every book in the world would not be enough to explain to us what we read in those 31 verses in the first chapter of our Bible. We are plenty busy to understand the words we have. So we do not need to add words to what we already have. Even if we could understand the first word: "Beginning" then all the other words would make sense.

It can be read in a couple minutes. It's just not that interesting. I've seen a lot of other origin stories, most are equally uninteresting.

 

[Diamond72]

So show me how angiosperms were created before the sun, without adding words to the Bible.

God created light on the first day. How can you have light without a sun?

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. (Genesis 1)

 

[Diamond72]

Science books aren't about a page in the bible. They are about the natural world.

Science tells us about the World that God created.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Science tells us about the World that God created.

You are free to believe that, but science does not demonstrated that the universe was created by a god.

 

[Diamond72]

You are free to believe that, but science does not demonstrated that the universe was created by a god.

Science is agnostic. God is infinite, a singularity. So you have to study Quantum Physics. Science does not claim that God did crated the laws of physics. But they also can not say that He did not create all of the natural laws.

Science tells us a lot about God. How He is exact and precise. Just like the laws of physics can not be violated without consequences. The moral laws of God can not be violated. So it does people no good to deny God because they are still going to be accountable. In fact, we will all judge ourselves. By the standard God establishes. This is why we are told, every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess. Philippians 2:10-11

 

[Hans Blaster]

Science is agnostic.

Correct. It doesn't care about gods. They are irrelevant to the investigations.

God is infinite, a singularity.

An interesting pair of claims. Not sure what kind of "singularity" you speak of since the ones I am thinking of are basically "divide by infinity".

So you have to study Quantum Physics.

I have.

Science does not claim that God did crated the laws of physics.

Of course not. Science doesn't care about gods.

But they also can not say that He did not create all of the natural laws.

If you start using claims of interactions with nature as proof of a god, then science can absolutely test the claims.

Science tells us a lot about God.

Quite the opposite. It is difficult to provide descriptions of a being you ignore.

How He is exact and precise.

Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence.

Just like the laws of physics can not be violated without consequences.

They can't be violated at all. Now attempting to violate the laws of physics...

The moral laws of God can not be violated.

Sure they can. I violate the laws of your god (moral and otherwise) frequently. There is no impediment.

So it does people no good to deny God because they are still going to be accountable.

If you know a god exists and deny it, that is rather pig-headed. On the other hand I have no such knowledge and have no reason to think any god *can* exist. So I have no need to deny an known, existant god. I just don't think any exist.

In fact, we will all judge ourselves.

True, by our standards and that of our society.

By the standard God establishes.

So the scribes claim.

This is why we are told, every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess. Philippians 2:10-11

Is this another of Paul's unfounded claims? (I can't keep track of which pauline letters are fakes.) If so, that would be at his level. He also claims I can see god in the things of nature; how wrong he is about that.

 

[Astrid]

Correct. It doesn't care about gods. They are irrelevant to the investigations.

An interesting pair of claims. Not sure what kind of "singularity" you speak of since the ones I am thinking of are basically "divide by infinity".

I have.

Of course not. Science doesn't care about gods.

If you start using claims of interactions with nature as proof of a god, then science can absolutely test the claims.

Quite the opposite. It is difficult to provide descriptions of a being you ignore.

Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence.

They can't be violated at all. Now attempting to violate the laws of physics...

Sure they can. I violate the laws of your god (moral and otherwise) frequently. There is no impediment.

If you know a god exists and deny it, that is rather pig-headed. On the other hand I have no such knowledge and have no reason to think any god *can* exist. So I have no need to deny an known, existant god. I just don't think any exist.

True, by our standards and that of our society.

So the scribes claim.

Is this another of Paul's unfounded claims? (I can't keep track of which pauline letters are fakes.) If so, that would be at his level. He also claims I can see god in the things of nature; how wrong he is about that.

On violating laws of the almighty, and certain
conquences attendant thereto

 

[sjastro]

You have to understand quantum physics. God is a singularity. He does not follow the laws of physics that deal with a dichotomy. Also God is eternal and we live in a temporal universe. Also time has no effect on a singularity.

So God is a singularity.
Is God a physical or coordinate singularity?
If God is a coordinate singularity mathematicians like myself can come along and delete God out of existence by simply changing the coordinates for the metric that describes space-time.

The role of quantum physics ironically is to eliminate physical singularities through a quantum theory of gravity which is work in progress and God would also be deleted in the process.
The bottom line is you don't know what you are talking about and clearly have a zero understanding of quantum physics.

 

[Bradskii]

Well that's a relief. Just for a moment I thought I might be the only one who thought that...

 

[Diamond72]

Is God a physical or coordinate singularity?

These scriptures are a bit advanced for you to understand. You are still working on the more basic concepts. Of course, the basic traditional approach is monotheism. There is only one God, as compared to polytheistic where there are multiple Gods. But with Quantum physics they talk about a singularity. This gets into the concept of God is good and there is no evil in Him. Of course, atheists try to attack this and in vain they try to prove that God is evil. That means they do not know or understand the true God. Also, God is light and there is no darkness in Him. In physics, with a black hole, the light can not escape. Only at the event horizon. The Bible tells us that God created light and then talks about morning and evening. Where are the first light and the last light of day? At the Horizon.

Ray Kurzweil and Neil Degrasse Tyson both talk about a singularity even if they have different definitions. Of course the definition is A singularity means a point where some property is infinite. We know that God in not finite, He is infinite. He is not a dichotomy he is a singularity. Einstein tried to avoid the subject. Except to say "God does not play dice with the universe". He has one plan, one purpose and it is His way or the highway. He can not contradict who He is, if you understand Him or not.

 

[Diamond72]

If God is a coordinate singularity mathematicians like myself can come along and delete God out of existence by simply changing the coordinates for the metric that describes space-time.

God is outside of time. So He can go into our past or into our future. I have had a few dreams about my future.

The bottom line is you don't know what you are talking about and clearly have a zero understanding of quantum physics.

Is your ego a bit heavy for you to carry around like that? If you think I don't know nothing, then quit asking me questions.