Is YEC science? Is is even really a theory?

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I apologize I thought you knew I implied man was created there

Then why are human fossils found in various places around the world, many of them significantly older than 6000 years old?

 

[AV1611VET]

You have a wonderful habit of ignoring and avoiding questions put to you. And by wonderful I mean annoying.

And why did you lead him to believe I believe this:

Or are you in AVs camp that God is deceptive in making the world 6000 years ago but made it all look, in every single testable way, 4.5 billion years old?

... when I never said God was deceptive in making the world 6000 years ago.

Neither did I say He made it all to "look, in every testable way, 4.5 billion years old."

Until you realize that God didn't make the world just to look old, and that the world "looks old" because it "is old," you deserve to be annoyed.

Especially when you attribute things to me that I'm adamantly against.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then why are human fossils found in various places around the world, many of them significantly older than 6000 years old?

Because you have a flaw in your dating system.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Because you have a flaw in your dating system.

Except that we really don't. You just treat the Bible as an idol above the exclusion of all things.

 

[AV1611VET]

Except that we really don't. You just treat the Bible as an idol above the exclusion of all things.

Ya ... I tithe to It once a week.

Who do you tithe to?

Matthew 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

How much treasure do you have invested in a college degree?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Ya ... I tithe to It once a week.

Who do you tithe to?

Matthew 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

How much treasure do you have invested in a college degree?

Tithing has nothing to do with the fact that you have gone on record and said: "If God came down and said that the Bible was wrong, I would say that He is not God."

Your focus on the Bible to the exclusion of everything else in God's creation is idolatrous, plain and simple.

 

[AV1611VET]

Tithing has nothing to do with the fact that you have gone on record and said: "If God came down and said that the Bible was wrong, I would say that He is not God."

And if I lied and said he was right, then he is not God either, is he?

Didn't an angel come down and tell Eve that the word of God was wrong?

"God" coming down and telling us the Bible is wrong just exposes him as a fallen angel.

Your focus on the Bible to the exclusion of everything else in God's creation is idolatrous, plain and simple.

Yes, I know.

God wants us to pray to Him, while academia suggests we pray to a milk carton.

So I can understand why it looks like I'm being "idolatrous".

It's not that I'm idolatrous; it's that academia is so ruinous.

I could tithe to God and it would look to the world like I'm idolizing a church building, wouldn't it?

And to address your cheap shot, which of these standards -- (that you've see a jillion times) -- proves you wrong?

I'll even highlight it for you.

1. Bible says x, Science says x = go with x
2. Bible says x, Science says y = go with x
3. Bible says x, Science says ø = go with x
4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x
5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted.

By way of example, I don't exclude photosynthesis because I focus on the Bible.

And if you'd quit trying so hard to critique my standards, maybe you wouldn't make mistakes like this.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And if I lied and said he was right, then he is not God either, is he?

Didn't an angel come down and tell Eve that the word of God was wrong?

"God" coming down and telling us the Bible is wrong just exposes him as a fallen angel.

Yes, I know.

God wants us to pray to Him, while academia suggests we pray to a milk carton.

So I can understand why it looks like I'm being "idolatrous".

It's not that I'm idolatrous; it's that academia is so ruinous.

I could tithe to God and it would look to the world like I'm idolizing a church building, wouldn't it?

And to address your cheap shot, which of these standards -- (that you've see a jillion times) -- proves you wrong?

I'll even highlight it for you.

1. Bible says x, Science says x = go with x
2. Bible says x, Science says y = go with x
3. Bible says x, Science says ø = go with x
4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x
5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted.

By way of example, I don't exclude photosynthesis because I focus on the Bible.

And if you'd quit trying so hard to critique my standards, maybe you wouldn't make mistakes like this.

All I see is you doubling down on idolatry. Don't call them 'mistakes' when other people call you out on your views.

 

[AV1611VET]

All I see is you doubling down on idolatry.

ANYTHING pertaining to worshiping God is idolatry in the academic world anymore, isn't it?

After all, why wouldn't it be considered idolatry, if one doesn't believe God exists?

Joe is a crack scientist who can crank out equations with ease.

But if Joe goes to church and sings songs to "a nonexistent entity," then Joe has an eccentricity, doesn't he?

Don't call them 'mistakes' when other people call you out on your views.

The ones that "call me out on my views" don't understand my views.

So I expect them to call me out -- (or at least ask honest questions and actually listen to the answers).

But I also expect to see a light bulb come on once in a while.

And that's where I get sorely disappointed.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

ANYTHING pertaining to worshiping God is idolatry in the academic world anymore, isn't it?

Nope. Just anything you say about the Bible and your refusal to even imagine that the Bible, as in the book itself (not God, just the book) can be wrong on something.
That's it.

Anything to link academia into it is just a persecution complex from you.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope.

Yup.

Just anything you say about the Bible and your refusal to even imagine that the Bible, as in the book itself (not God, just the book) can be wrong on something.

You'd like that, wouldn't you?

That would give you a wedge to eventually bring down all of Christianity.

After all, God says that if a single jot or tittle is wrong on something, then the whole thing shouldn't be trusted.

Would you expect someone who works on a bomb squad to question his list of instructions and consider one of the instructions wrong?

How long would a person be employed, if he questioned his boss' instructions all the time?

Or a soldier who questions the Uniform Code of Military Justice?

Or a scientist who questions the Scientific Method?

If we can write things that are expected to be followed religiously, why can't God?

That's it.

Anything to link academia into it is just a persecution complex from you.

Academia earns its monikers.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yup.

You'd like that, wouldn't you?

That would give you a wedge to eventually bring down all of Christianity.

After all, God says that if a single jot or tittle is wrong on something, then the whole thing shouldn't be trusted.

Would you expect someone who works on a bomb squad to question his list of instructions and consider one of the instructions wrong?

How long would a person be employed, if he questioned his boss' instructions all the time?

Or a soldier who questions the Uniform Code of Military Justice?

Or a scientist who questions the Scientific Method?

If we can write things that are expected to be followed religiously, why can't God?

Academia earns its monikers.

Your persecution complex is strong and noted.

If Christianity can be brought down by someone correctly nothing that the world is 14.5 billion years old instead of 6,000 years old, then that is truly worthy of tears because it's such a laughably bad way for Christianity to fall.

 

[AV1611VET]

If Christianity can be brought down by someone correctly noting that the world is 14.5 billion years old instead of 6,000 years old, then that is truly worthy of tears because it's such a laughably bad way for Christianity to fall.

That's why you hate embedded age so much your mind has blocked out its main tenet: that someone can agree that the world is 14.5 billion years old, but still have been created 6000 years ago.

You want either/or so badly, you can't fathom it can be both.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That's why you hate embedded age so much your mind has blocked out its main tenet: that someone can agree that the world is 14.5 billion years old, but still have been created 6000 years ago.

You want either/or so badly, you can't fathom it can be both.

Oh it can be both. But for it to be both, be 14.5 billion years old yet be made 6000 years go, is an act of deception and I refuse to believe that God would do such a thing with His creation.

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh it can be both.

Absolutely it can.

But for it to be both, be 14.5 billion years old yet be made 6000 years go, is an act of deception ...

Thanks for the QED. You throw that word "deception" around like it means something.

That's one of the reasons God gave us Genesis 1. So we WOULDN'T be deceived.

... and I refuse to believe that God would do such a thing with His creation.

As a deist, do you believe God would do ANYTHING with His creation? other than speak a primordial atom into existence, then sit back and watch it expand into thermal equilibrium?

Answer this hon ... well, skip that ... just answer this your way:

Is God parting the Red Sea -- (or Reed Sea if you've been to college) -- something you believe God wouldn't do?

I'm not a Deist, but it seems to me that, if I was, an honest answer would be YES.

And if so, then what point are you making.

If you refuse to believe that God would embed age into His creation,* so what?

Shouldn't you refuse to believe God would do ANYTHING with His creation?

* I'll assume you know enough of what embedded age creation is to get this answer wrong.

 

[Homeowner]

They didn't develop in the Garden. They were imprinted into them at creation.

By that logic they were imprinted with idiocy that made them believe strange talking snake over their creator.

Also no development. Imprinted. What kind of human is that ?

But thank you for broadening my views.

Now it looks worthwhile theory to think Eve well understood what would happen but she wanted some development to break her imprinted condition.

Btw can you link the part on the Bible were it says they were imprinted in first place thx.

 

[Astrophile]

We have History (recorded) that confirms the date. Roman leaders when Jesus was born Caesar Augustus to Pontius Pilot (among others) when He was crucified.

That isn't very helpful. Augustus became emperor of Rome in about 29 BC and died in 14 AD, and Pontius Pilate (note the spelling) was governor of Judea from 26 to 36 AD, so Jesus could have been anything from 12 to 64 years old at the time of his death. Also only the Gospel of Luke says that Jesus was born when Augustus was emperor; there is no record of his birth in secular histories.

 

[AV1611VET]

By that logic they were imprinted with idiocy that made them believe strange talking snake over their creator.

"Made them believe"? "Strange talking snake"?

Your logic is flawed.

Fix it with sensus plenior.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Is God parting the Red Sea -- (or Reed Sea if you've been to college) -- something you believe God wouldn't do?

Since this is is the only genuine question in that post of crock, I'll answer it: for the sake of the narrative of the Exodus story (since it was not a true historical event as has been pointed out many times before) then God could have done it.

 

[AV1611VET]

That isn't very helpful. Augustus became emperor of Rome in about 29 BC and died in 14 AD, and Pontius Pilate (note the spelling) was governor of Judea from 26 to 36 AD, so Jesus could have been anything from 12 to 64 years old at the time of his death. Also only the Gospel of Luke says that Jesus was born when Augustus was emperor; there is no record of his birth in secular histories.

Was any of this junk time stamped? or is this another The-Pharaohs-Say-Your-Bible-Is-Wrong point?