Is YEC science? Is is even really a theory?

[Platte]

Read again the example which I used, which is what AV believes and what you may or may not follow either, if you answer the question instead of just replying to questions asked of you with another question.

Thats funny

 

[Platte]

Pretty vague and opionated.

Scientific research has determined that each
volcano has its own distinct ash. Like a
fingerprint.

That each layer of polar ice represents one
years' accumulation.

That C14 has a certain half life.

That H2SO4 concentratuin directly affects
conductivity.
Esuvias erupted in AD 79
If researchers drill the ice down, say,
2000 layers and count down 1, 944
layers, where they find ash from vesuvius,
a spike in sulfuric acid, and pollen that
shows the same age, what do you think?

That it's all useless assumptions that
give terrible results?

Bonus points if you can ecplain wny
researchers world wide would waste
their time doing useless research.

How do you know Esuvias erupted in AD 79?

 

[Astrophile]

No, but if you have a science book -- (or any book for that matter) -- which gives peoples names and times of births, and you can concatenate them, then it doesn't take a Rhodes scholar to calculate the passage of time.

Even Jesus is said to have been crucified at the age of 33.

Does the Bible actually say that Jesus was 33 years old when he was crucified? Luke 3:23 says that Jesus was about 30 years old when he began his ministry. John 8:57 makes the Jews say that he was not yet 50, which may imply that he was in his 40s. So far as I know, there is no direct statement of Jesus's age at the time of the crucifixion.

 

[sjastro]

Yes

Until now I would have given you the benefit of the doubt your statement was the result of a poorly constructed sentence.
Now I'm not so sure.
To clear up the confusion tell what you mean by the statement "Yes but YEC also says the earth was created about 6000 years in the Middle East."

 

[Astrophile]

QV please:

SOURCE

So much for D/H ratios.

Thank-you for this interesting and informative report. It adds another possibility to the debate about the origin of the Earth's oceans.

 

[Platte]

Until now I would have given you the benefit of the doubt your statement was the result of a poorly constructed sentence.
Now I'm not so sure.
To clear up the confusion tell what you mean by the statement "Yes but YEC also says the earth was created about 6000 years in the Middle East."

That the Bible narrative takes place in the Middle East. Creation of man, Noah, Abraham, the Jewish people. Jesus.

 

[Platte]

Does the Bible actually say that Jesus was 33 years old when he was crucified? Luke 3:23 says that Jesus was about 30 years old when he began his ministry. John 8:57 makes the Jews say that he was not yet 50, which may imply that he was in his 40s. So far as I know, there is no direct statement of Jesus's age at the time of the crucifixion.

We have History (recorded) that confirms the date. Roman leaders when Jesus was born Caesar Augustus to Pontius Pilot (among others) when He was crucified.

 

[sjastro]

That the Bible narrative takes place in the Middle East. Creation of man, Noah, Abraham, the Jewish people. Jesus.

This is not the same as claiming the Earth was created in the Middle East which doesn't make any sense.
The mythical Garden of Eden is not equated as being the Earth.
A clue comes from the origin of the word Eden.
Edin (Sumerian) → Edinnui (Akkadian) → gan-Eden (Hebrew) → Garden of Eden
Edin means plain or steppe.

 

[Kylie]

We have History (recorded) that confirms the date. Roman leaders when Jesus was born Caesar Augustus to Pontius Pilot (among others) when He was crucified.

Could you share this source please?

 

[Astrid]

Yes

Yec got it wrong

 

[Astrid]

How do you know Esuvias erupted in AD 79?

I read about Vesuvias as a child. When I went to
Italy, Pompeii was my number one place I wanted to
see. Check some Google images!
And Mount Vesuvius - Wikipedia

You can also confirm the rest of what I said, about
the ash and sulfuric acid in Polar ice if you care to.

Are you going to try for the bonus points?

 

[Astrid]

Could you share this source please?

I'd like to see that too.
It's a poster responsibility to not just say
things they cannot confirm.

 

[dlamberth]

How do you know Esuvias erupted in AD 79?

There were a LOT of people around who witnessed the eruption first hand.

 

[AV1611VET]

Does the Bible actually say that Jesus was 33 years old when he was crucified? Luke 3:23 says that Jesus was about 30 years old when he began his ministry.

Jesus began His ministry at the age of 30.

From there, factor in three Passover feasts.

 

[sjastro]

I read about Vesuvias as a child. When I went to
Italy, Pompeii was my number one place I wanted to
see. Check some Google images!
And Mount Vesuvius - Wikipedia

You can also confirm the rest of what I said, about
the ash and sulfuric acid in Polar ice if you care to.

Are you going to try for the bonus points?

Visited Pompei many years ago as well.
The only question regarding when Pompei was destroyed involves the day not the year.
One of Pompei's most famous victims was Pliny the Elder supposedly killed on the 24th August 79AD according to a letter written by his nephew Pliny the Younger.
Archaeologists don't trust historians particularly when historians base their findings on a the letter written by a lawyer(!) and have found evidence the eruption occurred around 24th October 79AD.

Pompeii: Vesuvius eruption may have been later than thought

Mount Vesuvius erupted on 24 August, 79 AD - or at least, that's what historians thought until now.

www.bbc.com

 

[Hans Blaster]

The facts and experience are there - and a book was even written for us.

By the Eternal President?

On the Juche Idea - Wikipedia

 

[Platte]

This is not the same as claiming the Earth was created in the Middle East which doesn't make any sense.
The mythical Garden of Eden is not equated as being the Earth.
A clue comes from the origin of the word Eden.
Edin (Sumerian) → Edinnui (Akkadian) → gan-Eden (Hebrew) → Garden of Eden
Edin means plain or steppe.

I apologize I thought you knew I implied man was created there

 

[Homeowner]

The facts and experience are there - and a book was even written for us.

We are kind of concentrating on Adam and Eve here. What facts and experience they had ? How could their ability to detect lies and deceit develop in the garden ? What kind cost effect analysis they had to do ? What book was written for them ?

Someone once said on these forums that they were smart because they had to name animals. Yeeaahh. Smart to name animals but when you have to decide whatever you believe the almighty God that created you or lying snake you go for the snake.

For the free will. We are all products of our upbringing, our experience, our characteristics, our environment. We can understand parents failing to properly bring up a kid because of course it happens. Bad luck, bad company, even physical characteristics, stuff like that.

But when you are in a garden designed by omnipotent God that actually created you who by logic of being omnipotent could have easily arranged the kind of upbringing that did not include believing lying snakes, or allowing snakes in premises in the first place the literal reading of this story just becomes obscure.

Are there any here who seriously claim that God could not have arranged circumstances that made Eve to decide that to eat the apple basically labeled death was a bad idea while still preserving their free will ?

Think about that for another 30 seconds before answering.

 

[AV1611VET]

We are kind of concentrating on Adam and Eve here.

Okay.

What facts and experience they had ?

Facts: plenty.
Experience: none.

How could their ability to detect lies and deceit develop in the garden ?

They didn't develop in the Garden. They were imprinted into them at creation.

What kind cost effect analysis they had to do ?

Hedonistic calculus?

Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

What book was written for them ?

Adam authored the first part of It.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Thats funny

You have a wonderful habit of ignoring and avoiding questions put to you. And by wonderful I mean annoying.