Is true age, or maturity determined by the loss of ego? Is ego...?

[Noxot]

Yes - - this is what I call the "selfish self". In my case, it has helped to stop welcoming opportunities to criticize and look down on people and try to show I am the great counselor the whole Christian world has been waiting for. As I get into caring about people, instead, I find myself being in a better quality of peace and goodness and rest, in me, so I am younger and newer . . . as ego goes and I grow And this is emancipating so I am free from my own self nonsense.

yeah I still struggle with the whole "trying to be good but doing evil instead" thing. sometimes I feel the people that go to war inside of me are useful, other times I do not. I don't like the idea of bowing down to others, especially for something as obscene as "being polite" if that means letting people rot in themselves. but if I make war with some people they get offensive and will go into that mode of attempting to defend what they seek to protect from an enemy to an irrational degree. not to mention that I can do those things too.

some souls need some things and others need different things. I really don't wanna have to judge myself according to others standards but I also don't wanna be such a high level jerk. I think being honest tends to be very useful and people who think they can get rid of their egos are fooling themselves. it is like thinking it is a good idea to poke Gods eyes out. but none of us need evil.

 

[Noxot]

How do you define or explain ego?

I explained it in my first post. I don't have much to add to that atm

well i mean i keep talking about it. here I am, talking about it. other people said some pretty good stuff.

to not be born from above is to in some ways not be born yet. but we are all being born I guess.

 

[Noxot]

not to mention that our brains have various subpersonalities. what triggers me in my interactions in CF are various parts of me that are used to being part of CF, for the good or for the bad. how do i know what is good or what is bad if I can* only see but* a tiny fragment of reality? so I need to be with God as much as I can and be full of goodness and the lower parts of me such as anger most of the time are not needed.

but selfishness has helped me in ways that being selfless could never help me. I can't be me without being a self and I have a desire to be me. anyone who thinks getting rid of your desires is a good idea is a slave and a fool. unless you think getting rid of your desires means to overflow with what you want. I have very little capacity, I need to use as much of it as possible.

getting rid of your desires is a great idea though. it really just depends I think.

 

[com7fy8]

I really don't wanna have to judge myself according to others standards but I also don't wanna be such a high level jerk.

If a person is being humble and a good example, I want to become more like that person > I need to become more like that person.

But if someone is an ego person, meaning the person is bossy and mean about it . . . I do not want to become like that person.

I think the selfish sort of ego can keep us from being able to share with one another as family like we could. When I have had a problem with someone, first I could get all paranoid about him or her. But in prayer I would get corrected and encouraged to care about the person and be a real friend by being a good example to the person, of how to be and relate. So, I would get in the person's face, but with love and encouraging attitude . . . showing how to be, plus showing the person that I am not going to let him or her have power over me to get me bent out of shape.

So - - yes, @Neogaia777 > I would say as I get more into this example way of relating with problem people, I grow as a person. Being with my lady friend has been good, because she is kind and caring, but also we can need correction since we are not perfect; so with her I can benefit from her good example of compassion, plus learn to be caring and creative about how she might be wrong, instead of being critical and trying to control her. And she helps me in big ways, for getting correction to be more compassionate for wrong people. Possibly, together, we have grown from being about thirteen years old, emotionally and socially, to . . . more mature and developed, now And I don't think a person can do this, alone. We need people who are loving and humble enough to help each other get correction, and to stay together in spite of conflicts so we can keep learning how to relate . . . including "with longsuffering" (Ephesians 4:2).

So, selfish ego won't go, by itself.

 

[Noxot]

I think that there can be benefits to reacting towards people in the manner that they trigger your ego to react. but some of us just wanna be innocent and pleasing to God, because we know how good he is to us. his own character shows itself to be superior and so we wish to emulate such things especially if he burned himself in us in some ways. but i'm burdened with being myself and I can't expect to always be coerced into loving like I like to be. sometimes I would rather be a devil to someone, if that will make them better off than me treating them good would. I don't know how to judge, I would rather just love God. i would rather swipe people down with my tail, like hitting them with a rod. it is their faults they fall.

 

[bhsmte]

Is true age, or maturity determined by the loss of ego? Is ego a good or bad thing, many draw their identity from it...

Comments?

God Bless!

The ego is an important part of your psyche and it is quite normal, to have an ego.

Now, when one starts to leave the bell curve in regards to their ego, that is not a good thing.

 

[Tinker Grey]

That's what were trying to do here in this thread, any more thoughts? have your own opinion? If so, please, "share"...

God Bless!

Well, I'm curious as what it is you're trying to define. I don't try to categorize my "true age". I don't know what that means. I have a physical age. Some on-line quizes measure me as young because I take a modicum of interest in pop-culture. I can't guess as to the significance of "true age".

 

[Dan Bert]

Here as a Spiritual seeker is what I know. The Ego is the devil and enemy of God and at first necessary. I will forego why it is necessary. Before the Fall...Adam and Eve were rule by the Spirit. After the fall the throne within was taken over by the Ego...and the Ego has been trying to assert domination over the Spirit ever since. Adam and Eve had become the Natural man ever so ready to judge good and evil in all things and in all people. And with of course came ...accusing, blame, guilllt and all the vices. When we speak from the Ego we speak as the natural man, which wisdom is seen as foolishness by God. When Jesus addressed Peter as Satan...to walk behind Him...is because Peter was Speaking from his accumulated knowledge of good and evil...rather than by the Spirit. It is easier to use our knowledge and wisdom than to wait on the Spirit for the truth. Higher Education is a trap for the "expert" and because most fall in that trap...the world remains in darkness.

The work we have to do is to restore the order that was had in the Garden of Eden...and that is to put back the Spirit on our throne in our temple and subjugate the flesh, desires, and appetites and personality to the Spirit. When the Ego dies the Spirit of God is left to occupy our temple....and it then starts to heal it, rejuvenate it...and if God decides to give the promises of eternal life to that temple...then it needs not die. As the scriptures say...they shall "NEVER DIE." This is from the Gospel of Perfection or called the Gospel of the Grace of God in the Acts Chp 20.

The Ego is our great deceiver, even in those who think they have overcame. It is trying to find a way to save itself. The Ego dies at one point. For some their Ego dies at death and for others the Ego remains in this world. But the Spirit as it is written in Scriptures returns to God who made it.

That is all for now.

dan

Is true age, or maturity determined by the loss of ego? Is ego a good or bad thing, many draw their identity from it...

Comments?

God Bless!

 

[Loudmouth]

Is true age, or maturity determined by the loss of ego? Is ego a good or bad thing, many draw their identity from it...

Comments?

God Bless!

Maturity is confidence combined with a lack of stubbornness.

 

[Neogaia777]

Well, I'm curious as what it is you're trying to define. I don't try to categorize my "true age". I don't know what that means. I have a physical age. Some on-line quizes measure me as young because I take a modicum of interest in pop-culture. I can't guess as to the significance of "true age".

I guess I'm talking about maturity and what it is, thanks for the reply,

God Bless!

 

[Eudaimonist]

Example please?

If you stand up for yourself and your values, you are asserting your ego. If you fight for your freedom, you are asserting your ego. You are saying that you have a right to exist and function through your own judgment and will. While one may misuse one's ego, that doesn't mean that it is wrong to have one.

As I see it, this is a Golden Mean issue. It's possible to assert one's ego in the wrong way at the wrong times, etc, which will be rightly perceived as "too much" (and be called "egotistical"). However, it is also possible to fail to assert one's ego at the right times and for the right reasons, and then one is overly humble or self-effacing. The ego needs to be trained properly, not discarded.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[timewerx]

Is true age, or maturity determined by the loss of ego? Is ego a good or bad thing, many draw their identity from it...

Comments?

God Bless!

It's not just age that loses ego. It is often mistakes, failures, difficult times, trials and tribulations in life which loses ego.

Because there is simply no room for ego in difficult times. You'll have to endure pain. And pain and ego can't be together.

You'll have to "go with the flow" initially. Once you settled somewhat, established yourself financial stability, then ego comes knocking.

 

[lesliedellow]

No, it is determined

Is true age, or maturity determined by the loss of ego?

No, it is determined by loss of hair.

 

[Neogaia777]

If you stand up for yourself and your values, you are asserting your ego. If you fight for your freedom, you are asserting your ego. You are saying that you have a right to exist and function through your own judgment and will. While one may misuse one's ego, that doesn't mean that it is wrong to have one.

As I see it, this is a Golden Mean issue. It's possible to assert one's ego in the wrong way at the wrong times, etc, which will be rightly perceived as "too much" (and be called "egotistical"). However, it is also possible to fail to assert one's ego at the right times and for the right reasons, and then one is overly humble or self-effacing. The ego needs to be trained properly, not discarded.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Thanks, answered my question...

God Bless!