Is transgender a lie?

[elephunky]

Fine. Show me research that says transgender people are better off than they were before they were allowed to mutilate themselves and pretend to be what they are not ie live a lie.

You lack understanding of what it is to be transgender. It isnt about deciding to be the other sex and get a sex change. There is a difference between gender and sex.

 

[Armoured]

Need some help?

Trans suicide: We aren’t stopping the epidemic.

"If any other population attempted suicide as frequently as trans people, the government would declare a public health crisis. According to a new study by the Williams Institute and the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, 46 percent of trans men and 42 percent of trans women in the United States have attempted suicide. That’s far higher than the 4.6 percent national average, and more than double the 10–20 percent of gay and lesbian people who report a suicide attempt. And the numbers only get bleaker from there, revealing that trans people also experience homelessness, domestic violence, mental illness, sexual abuse, and employment discrimination at vastly higher levels than the general population."

...not quite sure how you think this helps your case.

 

[Autumnleaf]

You lack understanding of what it is to be transgender. It isnt about deciding to be the other sex and get a sex change. There is a difference between gender and sex.

It is about making a decision to have a doctor take a knife to your body because you are unhappy with who you are. The answer to it is not violence, its acceptance. With acceptance the ego fades into the background and God's love can manifest as the still small voice. Back in the day there was no choice other than acceptance because it wasn't socially acceptable and people pretended to be normal and lived relatively normal lives by and large.

 

[Armoured]

It is about making a decision to have a doctor take a knife to your body because you are unhappy with who you are. The answer to it is not violence, its acceptance. With acceptance the ego fades into the background and God's love can manifest as the still small voice. Back in the day there was no choice other than acceptance because it wasn't socially acceptable and people pretended to be normal and lived relatively normal lives by and large.

Can you show us any studies that support this?

and people pretended to be normal and lived relatively normal lives by and large

 

[Autumnleaf]

...not quite sure how you think this helps your case.

People are identifying themselves as something that makes them want to kill themselves. Maybe that isn't a healthy option for them.

 

[elephunky]

It is about making a decision to have a doctor take a knife to your body because you are unhappy with who you are. The answer to it is not violence, its acceptance. With acceptance the ego fades into the background and God's love can manifest as the still small voice. Back in the day there was no choice other than acceptance because it wasn't socially acceptable and people pretended to be normal and lived relatively normal lives by and large.

No it is not. You need to research it. It isnt about being unhappy with who you are, it is recognition that your personality and entire spiritual being does not match the body you were born with. Surgery is just an act of correcting this, as you would if you had some weird growth on our face that you felt did not belong there.

Just because you cannot accept what it is like for these people does not mean that they are in the wrong. It just means that you need to do more research.

 

[elephunky]

People are identifying themselves as something that makes them want to kill themselves. Maybe that isn't a healthy option for them.

No. That is not the issue. You misunderstand it completely. Other people are the issue.

 

[Armoured]

People are identifying themselves as something that makes them want to kill themselves. Maybe that isn't a healthy option for them.

...seriously?

They don't identify as transgender THEN want to kill themselves. They want to kill themselves because they ARE transgender and suffer the social costs that imparts.

 

[Autumnleaf]

No. That is not the issue. You misunderstand it completely. Other people are the issue.

Other people aren't killing them. They are killing themselves.

They are killing themselves in a society that is more socially accepting of them than other societies.

 

[Armoured]

They are killing themselves in a society that is more socially accepting of them than other societies.

And your studies that support this?

If you had clicked on the link I provided you, you would have seen that the death rates of transgender people go down after GRT, whereas those who just "deal with it" remain high.

 

[elephunky]

Other people aren't killing them. They are killing themselves.

They are killing themselves in a society that is more socially accepting of them than other societies.

They are killing themselves because of society.

 

[Armoured]

They are killing themselves because of society.

And, IIRC, their incidence of being killed by someone else in that society is higher per capita than any other group.

 

[Autumnleaf]

They are killing themselves because of society.

I agree. Society accepted them as transgender and now they are killing themselves. If society had not accepted them as such they would have been compelled to not identify themselves as transgender and they would probably still be alive.

 

[elephunky]

I agree. Society accepted them as transgender and now they are killing themselves. If society had not accepted them as such they would have been compelled to not identify themselves as transgender and they would probably still be alive.

You intentionally twist my words. I am yet to find a part of western society that fully accepts transgender people. They have some of the most horrible experiences.

It does not matter if they admit their gender identity to others or not, that part is superficial. Being transgender is not as simple as just saying you are or not. Either you are or you are not. The point is whether you let people know or not. In the past they would not have told anyone and kept it to themselves, and live a lie.

 

[Armoured]

I agree. Society accepted them as transgender and now they are killing themselves. If society had not accepted them as such they would have been compelled to not identify themselves as transgender and they would probably still be alive.

Still waiting for you to provide any evidence for any of these claims. I also provided you evidence that shows GRT results in better clinical outcomes than just pretending everything's fine, and you have yet to comment on it.

 

[Cute Tink]

I agree. Society accepted them as transgender and now they are killing themselves. If society had not accepted them as such they would have been compelled to not identify themselves as transgender and they would probably still be alive.

No we would still be suicidal, it's just that nobody would know why. I came out because I was starting to decide not whether I wanted to kill myself, but how it would be the least traumatic on my family and the easiest for them to clean up. That's why I sought help.

I don't want to kill myself because I came out. That's got to rank up there with some of the absolute worst reasoning I have ever seen.

If you think that this current state is society accepting us, I would really hate to see societal rejection.

We are openly mocked, harassed, fired, denied housing and even attacked in front of cheering bystanders. There is even a legal defense used when people attack and even murder us. This is not what acceptance looks like

 

[elephunky]

If you think that this current state is society accepting us, I would really hate to see societal rejection.

We are openly mocked, harassed, fired, denied housing and even attacked in front of cheering bystanders. There is even a legal defense used when people attack and even murder us. This is not what acceptance looks like

Exactly.

 

[Skybringr]

Other people aren't killing them. They are killing themselves.

They are killing themselves in a society that is more socially accepting of them than other societies.

Which is why in past cultures, they didn't commit suicide or otherwise do something drastic.

They try to make you believe a sex change is the difference between life and perdition for them.

It's all new age, and radical.. and ridiculous.

 

[poolerboy0077]

Which is why in past cultures, they didn't commit suicide or otherwise do something drastic.

And you know this...how?

 

[Skybringr]

And you know this...how?

Is there anything in history that has spoken of this?

There are a few things to consider here, to say the least. The prime one being that a sex change being mandatory to prevent some drastic action should have some history- being that such a medical procedure has only existed for what, a few decades at most?

Nothing about it makes sense, because it is indeed nonsensical.