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OK, I'm game; perhaps you could answer the questions I posed as well ?
The prayers of the saints (those on earth) are offered by those in heaven to God.
From the OT:
Rachel died in childbirth, before Joseph was sold into slavery, and before the exile.
Verse 15 is quoted in Matthew, re: the death of the innocents. In Jewish understanding, the passage is also the intercession of Rachel to God (so I have included His answer).
Recall the Psalmist attests:
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in Sheol*, behold, thou art there. Psalm 139:8
(the KJV has hell, which in modern use tends to be associated with Gehenna; the Hebrew has Sheol, and the LXX has Hades here)
The Jews had been asking for the intercessions of Rachel for centuries by the time of Christ (according to several references, first by her son Joseph as he passed by her tomb on the way to his slavery in Egypt). Compare this with Christ's use of the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazaros -- the impossibility of communication is between those in the Bosom of Abraham and those in a place of agony.
Yes. The souls in heaven obviously have a different awareness than we do on earth. That would be a no-brainer to me.I always have thought that the fact that the martyrs under the altar in Revelations know what is occurring on the Earth (specifically, they know their blood has not been avenged yet, hence their calling out to God to ask him when that avenging will occur) indicates that the reposed do have awareness of Earthly events.
awareness to what? Earth or the heavenlies?Yes. The souls in heaven obviously have a different awareness than we do on earth. That would be a no-brainer to me.
In both. Did you read what laconicstudent said about the verse in Revelation? The Saints know what's going on down on Earth. What Thekla said about the bowls of the prayers of the saints on earth given by the Saints in Heaven with God, over to God.awareness to what? Earth or the heavenlies?
They have placed-created a deistic identity around Mary.Really? Am I the only one in the world to point out that RC's have ascribed godlike qualities to her? Have you really never heard, except now? Aren't there tons of people on this forum who feel that way? Are you really saying there are not MILLIONS of people who feel the same way?
They have placed-created a deistic identity around Mary.
The Mary of the bible and the Catholic Mary are NOT one in the same.
They have placed-created a deistic identity around Mary.
The Mary of the bible and the Catholic Mary are NOT one in the same.
Are you referring to Revelation 6:9-11?I always have thought that the fact that the martyrs under the altar in Revelations know what is occurring on the Earth (specifically, they know their blood has not been avenged yet, hence their calling out to God to ask him when that avenging will occur) indicates that the reposed do have awareness of Earthly events.
I think there is enough evidence to say that they have a certain amount of limited, general knowledge about events that affect them, but note that they are actually seeking information from an omniscient source rather than observing and gathering information directly on their own. If they were as aware as some might think, they would have no need to ask for information.I always have thought that the fact that the martyrs under the altar in Revelations know what is occurring on the Earth (specifically, they know their blood has not been avenged yet, hence their calling out to God to ask him when that avenging will occur) indicates that the reposed do have awareness of Earthly events.
The Pope, the President and King Solomon all have human mothers and fathers. Christ did not.
Christ gains his humanity ONLY through Mary. Therefore, and in this context only, humanity access God through Mary. Not as mediatrix, but as the means by which the Incarnation was effected.
Catholics can and do use Mary as mediatrix, but it is not compulsory. If you don't want to do it, then don't do it.
The Church on Mary's Mediation
3) Leo XIII, Encyclical, Octobri mense adventante, Sept 22, 1891, ASS 24, 1891, 196.
"... just as no one can come to the Father except through the Son, so in general, no one can come to Christ except through His Mother."
Jesus said in John 6:44:
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him..."
So wouldn't stating that we can't come to Christ except through Mary be blasphemous, since this statement puts her in the role of God?
And doesn't putting her in this role (that we MUST go through Mary) give her a godlike status, making her an idol?
Which was wrought by God and not Mary.this statement means that Mary gave us Jesus, (which she did..) and that she intercedes for us... Catholics don't believe that Mary is a goddess or divine, she is human. But she is His Mother and gave Him human nature. We would not have salvation if it wasn't for the Incarnation.
Mary did not one day wake up and say I think I will have the Messiah.. Then summon God and discuss this plan with Him and He agree to this plan.
Which was wrought by God and not Mary.
## Look at that statement in a wider context as well:The Church on Mary's Mediation
3) Leo XIII, Encyclical, Octobri mense adventante, Sept 22, 1891, ASS 24, 1891, 196.
"... just as no one can come to the Father except through the Son, so in general, no one can come to Christ except through His Mother."
Jesus said in John 6:44:
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him..."
So wouldn't stating that we can't come to Christ except through Mary be blasphemous, since this statement puts her in the role of God?
And doesn't putting her in this role (that we MUST go through Mary) give her a godlike status, making her an idol?
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