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:owell this is new, I didnt know that you have been given the ability to know the thoughts of our heart, I thought that was something only God can do...
You're missing the point. "Seed" isn't being used how you think it is. Let's bring up the same passage you used:Thus, a remarkable thing is announced in Genesis.
"Her seed" is a possessive; it demonstrates ownership, belonging to her.
:owell this is new, I didnt know that you have been given the ability to know the thoughts of our heart, I thought that was something only God can do...
You're missing the point. "Seed" isn't being used how you think it is. Let's bring up the same passage you used:
Genesis 3:15:
15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;
In the same sentence, God says they both have seed. Do we take this to mean that Satan has conceived as well? Did he get pregnant, or impregnant someone? Or...does Satan have an "egg" as well?
Obviously, God isn't refering to a direct product of Mary, since He also refers to Satan's "seed" in the same sentence.
Most of the posters here, including myself, are not (Roman) Catholic; we cannot answer what the Pope has said.
We are responding to the other statements made here.
The Bible clearly states that Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ, and the she conceived Him by the Holy Spirit. We believe that Jesus Christ is God, the second person of the Holy Trinity.
There's a difference between responding to and actually giving an answer. If I asked "why are bears dangerous", and someone said "well, everyone knows bears are furry and hibernate". Does that response answer the question? Or what if someone responded "bears are dangerous because they must store enough fat to hibernate all winter"? Is that an "answer"? No.why are you asking? your mind is already made up and your question has been answered on the first page. But you don't like that answer because it's not your answer so you contiue to say it hasn't been answered.
See above.When in fact it actually has been by Catherianne. She showed you in context it's meaning and the reasoning behind it.
but you don't care, you have your pre conceived notion Ohh look at that word conceivedand no answer but your own answer is the only one acceptable to you.
You are proof of what I've said. Remember when it was pointed out that you misread my post? You didn't even adress your mistake. You just kept on posting fallacious arguments. And remember that circular argument that you made? When pointed out that it was circular, you adressed by MISREADING my post.That's fact so lets just stop your charade of trying to inquire of what is behind the OP shall we.
What's funny about your reasoning is that is the reasoning why she is labeled as Queen, The mother of the King is the Queen.
And also they fact the Woman in Rev. had a crown of 12 stars but that is another debate for another thread.
I wonder why they would forget to put such an important piece of information in the BIBLE... (Queen of Heaven, quite a title)
I wonder why they would forget to put such an important piece of information in the BIBLE... (Queen of Heaven, quite a title)
Rev... Its definitely not Mary, that's for sure...( buts thats for another thread)
but in all fairness I do believe the lack of respect and honor toward the Blessed Mary had more to do with over compensation of the animosity most Evangelicals have towards Catholics and their views of her than with an actually dislike of her.
She is I guess is a casuality of this delusional war Evangelicals have waged against Catholics in this modern times.
There is a reference to the "Queen of Heaven" in the Bible, but it is in reference to a PAGAN goddess (Jeremiah 7:18).
Also read Jeremiah 44 where God punished the children of Israel for worshiping her.
"The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the QUEEN OF HEAVEN...that they may provoke Me to anger." (Jeremiah 7:18)
hmm pot calling kettle? You guys claim Catholics worship Mary and are idol worshippers based on what you think you see.
Just take your own llittle test. Outside of Christmas, see how many times your church Pastor brings up Mary in a positive light during his or her sermons.
I think it's quite telling.
I think the woman's "seed" just means children she birthed by her.Satan sows seeds of evil thoughts, slander, temptations. Satan indeed has "seed"; he is the father of lies.
What seed does the woman have in your view ?
I wonder why they would forget to put such an important piece of information in the BIBLE... (Queen of Heaven, quite a title)
Rev... Its definitely not Mary, that's for sure...( buts thats for another thread)
See, this is what I mean. You started off with using rationale to defend your position, but then when simple logic refutes what you said, you resort to logically fallacious assertions.I disagree with that because Jesus's Father is God, His Father's traits are his divinity, his human traits are Mary's. Mary is his Mother . God chose Mary to combine her humanity and his divinity to become God incarnate in Christ. 100% Human (Mary) and 100% Divine (God)
Oh, wow. smh.where did I ever say Jesus didn't get any traits from Mary? I clearly said he got his humanity from her.
That's EXACTLY what I said. That you disagree with me that Jesus DIDN'T get his traits from Mary.What I was disagree with you about is you said Jesus did not get any tratis from Mary because he didn't have a human Father to give him his traits.
I think the woman's "seed" just means children she birthed by her.
That is according to the flesh. Gods Kingdom is not of this world. Heaven is not structured after Earth. Therefore in the Spirit we have a King and a Father but not a mother for it is the Father who cares and tends to us.At the time the term was used, the mother of the king was referred to as the queen.
Thus, the term "queen of heaven" is a reference to the identity of Jesus Christ, who had myriads of angels as His servants. As Jesus Christ, who pre-existed the creation of the heavens as the pre-eternal Logos, as the second person of the Holy Trinity, as God, He is the King of heaven and earth. Paul attests that all is "re-capitulated" in Him; ie He has "headship/capit" of all things.
To call Mary queen of heaven is - in Semitic and eastern Christian terms - to identify Jesus Christ as King of Heaven, ie. the Son of God.
In more modern times, and in the west, this terminology is not understood and needs to be explained.
That is according to the flesh. Gods Kingdom is not of this world. Heaven is not structured after Earth. Therefore in the Spirit we have a King and a Father but not a mother for it is the Father who cares and tends to us.
To call Mary queen of heaven is - in Semitic and eastern Christian terms - to identify Jesus Christ as King of Heaven, ie. the Son of God.
In more modern times, and in the west, this terminology is not understood and needs to be explained.
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